[PD] Musical notation object on Pd

[João Pais]

>  Can we have a view of one of these pieces written with "modern  
> notation"?
>
> just to have a clue about what we are saying in here.

I don't have the time now to look for scores with didactic examples. I  
made a small image which has the most used examples (or they wouldn't be  
in sibelius). inside the black area [only the upper row, I notice now] are  
the mostly used for 1/2 (chromatic) and 1/4-tone notation.
The accidentals with arrows can be interpreted on different ways depending  
on the composer, but in most cases mean smaller inflection than 1/4 tone.  
They can also mean a) 8th or 16th tones b) 1/4 tones (if the composer  
doesn't use many) c) unscaled deviations, like natural harmonics d) 1/3  
tones e) something else.
But main point is, they're used quite often, even if there's no standard  
as traditional as for chromatic notation.
I guess main composers I was thinking of are Grisey, Ferneyhough, some  
Nono, and lots of young people I know (more or less personally).
For example, my old composition teacher, Spahlinger, has a system for  
32th-tones, but that I don't find it to be a standard.


> I've played several pieces where composers like K. H. Stockhausen used  
> their own
> notation, not based on a standard, in fact there is no standard for  
> microtonal

the scores I have from Stockhausen are not microtonal yet, they're before  
the Licht period. which scores are you talking about?


> music because:
>
> 1/ this style doesn't exist since a significant enough amount of time.

true, notated microtonal music is around one century old now, although no  
one play Wyschnegradsky or Hába nowadays. only from/after the 60s it  
really kicked in in a systematic way.


> 2/ actually many different styles of microtonal music emerge from  
> different
> composers
> that uses their own notation system.

that was more the case in the 60s-80s - and the sudden notation expansion  
happened with any kind of musical parameters, not just with pitch  
notation. nowadays it's becoming slowly a standard, one symptom of it is  
that all main notation programs offer the symbols I sent. also composers  
nowadays are thinking more of 1/4 (and 1/8 tones) as part of the tempered  
scale - of course, not all. and also depending on the geographic  
(cultural) location.


> 3/ no one (that I know) has been able to find an harmonical relationship  
> that
> would introduce a real notation system like we have in classical music  
> notation.

don't know if I understand the problem exactly. anyway these systems are  
built upon the classical "tonal" notation system, which doesn't make much  
sense nowadays if we consider that each note is equal to each other,  
instead of having a diatonic scale.
but I don't know if I understood what you meant, and if it even is that  
important for the use of these symbols.
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