[PD] Am I alone?

blackendwhite at web.de blackendwhite at web.de
Mon Mar 21 15:11:45 CET 2011

I feel I want to put a quote here:

"Immanuel Kant said that there are two things, that dont have to mean
anything. One is music and the other is laughter."
                                       John Cage

On 03/21/2011 02:49 PM, Matt Barber wrote:
>>> If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach--  you just
>>> completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the
>>> "art" is made, reimagine the "art" as a self-contained, closed "work",
>>> and just assume that every "artist" in the world is either another
>>> modernist or some primitive outgrowth of a particular process that can be
>>> data mined to add a new layer of complexity to a future modernist
>>> project.
>> I don't object, but for some people, this is exactly the type of thing
>> that could cause disillusion. Like, for the person who started this
>> thread, perhaps.
>> For me, that would just be one of many approaches. Not something as
>> fundamental as an ideology, not that we need to define one.
> The "what is music" question is the first thing we discuss in my
> undergraduate composition courses. I usually find that kind of
> discussion rather crass, but it's important to have it with students
> who have little experience with "modern" music beyond Rachmaninov. I
> have them read some Wittgenstein -- the famous passages at the
> beginning of the philosophical investigations where he talks about
> language games and then asks "what is a game?" and talks about "family
> resemblances." The idea is to explode the essentialist position, which
> amounts to having tons of sufficient criteria but almost no necessary
> ones. Then I'm able to refer to the idea throughout the semester when
> they're inclined not to think of say, music by Ligeti or Berio as
> music.
> But really, the whole discussion feels pretty distasteful.
> Matt
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