[PD] maths and music

Wed Mar 23 12:54:11 CET 2011

Hi,

You might look at some of Tom Johnson's pieces http:// 
www.editions75.com.
Music for 88 is a series of piano pieces that are quite charming.  I  
particlarly like
88's, which simply a series of ways to playing all 88 notes on the  
piano once.
(In the score, the first iteration is presented followed by an  
ellipsis. with the overall breakdown of notes
represented as a simple factoring, i.e. 4 * 22, (5 +3) * 11)

RJK

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>   3. Re: cannot get pix_record to work (???????)
>   4. Re: pix_film frame control offset 8 MacOsX (chris clepper)
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>   6. Re: math + music examples (brandt at subnet.at)
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> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:47:00 +0100
> From: Joe <potaxpotax at gmail.com>
> Subject: [PD]  math + music examples
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> hello
> i am trying to come up with some examples to use in a short workshop
> with 11 year old kids using maths to make sound and music (music in
> very loose terms that is). i would love to use pd for this. it can be
> literally anything, as long as they can easily see a relation between
> some basic math concepts (number sequences, patterns, etc.) and the
> sounds they hear while interacting with the patches. the goal is not
> to have the kids write the patches, but to make them *play* with them.
>
> does anyone have any ideas for this? useful, easy to understand math
> concepts that could be turned into little musical devices?
> any feedback will be greatly appreciated!
>
> cheerio
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:14:10 +0100
> From: Lorenzo Sutton <lsutton at libero.it>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.43-0 released
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> Miller, all other devs, contributors etc.
>
> Thanks for the new release!
>
> Quick feedback from a *very* quick session on Ubuntu 10.04.
>
> Compiled and installed with ./configure
> --prefix=/home/lorenzo/bin/pd-vanilla so this is not a full system- 
> wide
> install test.
> - Everything went well audio works with both alsa and jack. alsa-midi
> also works.
> - Maybe due to specifying the PREFIX I don't get the error dmotd gets
> - Where does pd pick the path for gui-rewrite plugins? In my case it
> seems to search in /home/lorenzo/src/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/ which
> actually relates to another development version I was messing with.
> - As for the aesthetics issues. I'm personally happy with the  
> 'standard'
> white canvas (fonts seem to be erratic at every install): would it  
> make
> sense to create a simple configuration file in the form param=value
> holding the values as in he example Hans provided maybe with
> simpler-to-read entries (making it up):
>
> canvas.bgcolor=#E1E1E1
> canvas.fgcolor=#000000
> canvas.fontface='DejaVu Sans Mono'
> canvas.fontsize=12
> ui.bgcolor=#D3D3D3
> ui.fgcolor=#000000
> ui.fontface='Dejavu Sans'
> ui.fontsize=12
>
> etc.
>
> That's it for now.
> Ciao,
> Lorenzo.
>
>
> Miller Puckette wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Pd version 0.43-0  is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm
>> or via git from sourceforge:
>> git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/ 
>> pure-data
>>
>> cheers
>> Miller
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> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 01:18:07 +0100
> From: ???????  <potaxpotax at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] cannot get pix_record to work
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> i have the same problem on OS X.
> is there any other way to record GEM videos?
> thanks
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette
> <matteosistisette at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've also tried with "auto 1", with and without the bangs, and  
>> nothing
>> changes.
>>
>> On 03/13/2011 01:43 PM, Olivier Baudu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've recently tried all the codecs but without success... :-/
>>> (pd-ext 0.42.5 // gem 0.92.3 // Ubuntu 10.04)
>>>
>>> Sorry...
>>>
>>> If someone knows a way to make it works, I'll be happy too...
>>>
>>> Cheers...
>>>
>>> 01ivier
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/12 Matteo Sisti Sette <matteosistisette at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:matteosistisette at gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> ? ?Some more detailed information of what happens:
>>>
>>> ? ?1 I start Pd Extended
>>> ? ?2 I open the patch which uses pix_record
>>> ? ?3 send it "codec 5"
>>> ? ?4 send it "open filename.mov"
>>> ? ?5 send it "record 1"
>>> ? ?6 send it a bang at every frame
>>> ? ?7 send it "record 0".
>>>
>>> ? ?(it is always receiving the gemlist)
>>>
>>> ? ?Result: it only records the first frame (not a black frame, an
>>> ? ?actual frame).
>>>
>>> ? ?If I repeat steps 4-7, i records only one frame again  
>>> (overwriting
>>> ? ?the file, as expected). If I repeat only steps 5-7, it does  
>>> nothing,
>>> ? ?doesn't even touch the file (this may be expected).
>>>
>>> ? ?If I close the patch (but not Pd), and repeat steps 2-5, it  
>>> crashes.
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ?This is Pd Extended 0.42.5, gem 0.92.3 compiled sep 22 2010  
>>> (comes
>>> ? ?with pd extended), Ubuntu 10.04
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ?Apart from the crash which I can avoid, is there something I am
>>> ? ?missing to have it record more than one frame??? Does anybody  
>>> know
>>> ? ?of a codec that gives less issues? (there are too many to try  
>>> them
>>> all).
>>>
>>> ? ?thanks
>>> ? ?m.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ?On 03/12/2011 08:18 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?Hi,
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?Time ago I succesfully used pix_record in Windows by trying
>>> ? ? ? ?different
>>> ? ? ? ?codecs until I found one that wouldn't make it crash.
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?Now I'm trying to use it in linux and I managed to create the
>>> output
>>> ? ? ? ?file and it seems it records one black frame, but nothing  
>>> more.
>>> ? ? ? ?The file
>>> ? ? ? ?seems to have the correct dimensions in pixels but it never  
>>> grows
>>> to
>>> ? ? ? ?more than a few Kb.
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?I use "codec 5" which is ffmpeg mjpeg.
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?I have:
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?[gemhead 99]
>>> ? ? ? ?|
>>> ? ? ? ?[t b a]
>>> ? ? ? ?| /
>>> ? ? ? ?[pix_snap 500 500]
>>> ? ? ? ?|
>>> ? ? ? ?[t b a]
>>> ? ? ? ?| /
>>> ? ? ? ?[pix_record]
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?Well I'm simplifying it, because I have a spigot so that the
>>> ? ? ? ?situation
>>> ? ? ? ?is equivalent to the picture above only after I've sent the
>>> ? ? ? ?"record 1"
>>> ? ? ? ?message.
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?I send to pix_record, in this order:
>>> ? ? ? ?"file output.mov"
>>> ? ? ? ?"record 1"
>>> ? ? ? ?... now for every frame I send it a bang (and the gemlist of
>>> course)
>>> ? ? ? ?"record 0"
>>> ? ? ? ?...now i stop banging it
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?I've verified that pix_snap is snapping as expected (I've  
>>> tried
>>> ? ? ? ?putting
>>> ? ? ? ?a pix texture after it and using the texture on a square).
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?Any idea?
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?It prints this message to the console when it receives the
>>> ? ? ? ?"file" message:
>>> ? ? ? ?encoding as Quicktime (QT7 compatible)
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?but it doesn't print any message when it gets the "record  
>>> 1" and
>>> ? ? ? ?"record
>>> ? ? ? ?0" messages.
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?thanks
>>> ? ? ? ?m.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:48:37 -0400
> From: chris clepper <cgclepper at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] pix_film frame control offset 8 MacOsX
> To: Matthias Neuenhofer <matthias at neuenhofer.de>
> Cc: pd list <pd-list at iem.at>
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> That's not completely surprising since Apple is destroying the old,  
> useful
> Quicktime and not replacing it with anything comparable.  But, hey,  
> your
> computer now acts more like your cellphone!
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Matthias Neuenhofer <matthias at neuenhofer.de
>> wrote:
>
>> hm - beware for update 10.6.5
>>
>> released nov 2010 - fits to my experience - i had no problems last  
>> summer
>> with synchronization
>> of video + sound.
>>
>> i tested also on MacPro and different MacBook Pro with 10.6.6 same  
>> issue.
>> even update to 10.6.7 didn?t solve the problem.
>>
>> m
>> Am 22.03.2011 um 13:37 schrieb chris clepper:
>>
>> I tested this on 10.6.4 and the latest Pd-Extended and did not see  
>> this
>> problem.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Matthias Neuenhofer <
>> matthias at neuenhofer.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear list,
>>>
>>> i recognized that pix_film have an offset of 8 when trigger with  
>>> frame
>>> number on 2. inlet.
>>> When video is loaded the 1. frame is visible and stay sending 1 - 8.
>>> Number 9 render the
>>> 2. frame, 10 the 3. frame ? but i can?t get back the 1. frame this  
>>> is only
>>> shown up with loading.
>>> It?s also not possible to get the last 7 frames.
>>> The length of the video in the console is printed correct when  
>>> opened.
>>>
>>> Can somebody confirm this. I?m working on MAc OsX 10.6.6 and tried
>>> pd-extended 0.43,
>>> 0.41rc4 and latest 0.42. all the same behavior. Can?t remember on  
>>> which
>>> version of MacOs
>>> it worked correct last.
>>>
>>> For easy testing here a 100 frame mov counting 0-99
>>> http://matthias.neuenhofer.de/_testMOV/_testF75mov.zip
>>>
>>> lg
>>> Matthias
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> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:27:46 -0500
> From: Charles Henry <czhenry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] The economics of Open source
> To: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>, pd-list at iem.at
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> I thought I'd pose a question to you, for academic curiosity.  For  
> example,
> in my current line of work, cluster computing, there's a lot of  
> possible
> funding models for supporting maintenance, and they all have different
> ~unintended consequences.  (ex) You lose customers, waste cycles,  
> delay
> research schedules, and they all have some other costs associated.
> Economics just works that way.
>
> But in general, I wonder what produces the best outcomes for software
> development.  It's an impossible question to answer without having  
> much time
> to waste, so don't try too hard :)
>
> Could a open-source project with a funding model lead to better code  
> than a
> professional solution?
>
> Could you just dangle some cash on the end of a string and the cats  
> will
> just herd themselves?
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Mathieu Bouchard  
> <matju at artengine.ca>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2011, Bernardo Barros wrote:
>>
>> Hello , Mathieu! Well, I did not refer to implementation of new  
>> features,
>>> but the maintenance of that code that already works, fixing bugs.
>>>
>>
>> Ok, so, basically, buggy software gets rewarded for requests to fix  
>> bugs.
>> Bugless software is not rewarded : it does not pay. Therefore we are
>> encouraged to put enough bugs in there so that we get money.  
>> Nevermind the
>> high-reliability ideals.
>>
>> (Of course, don't let my comments prevent you from contributing  
>> money. I'm
>> just trying to say that some assumptions about funding may  
>> encourage the
>> wrong things and cause strange compensations.)
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:14:57 +0100
> From: brandt at subnet.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] math + music examples
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> what kind of math problems are you talking about?
>
> basics like + , - , * , / , or more sphisticated
>
> give me a glue, so i can find something out of my punch of work, couse
> my math is also very basical
>
> looking forward
>
> der.brandt
>
>
>
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> Zitat von Joe <potaxpotax at gmail.com>:
>
>> hello
>> i am trying to come up with some examples to use in a short workshop
>> with 11 year old kids using maths to make sound and music (music in
>> very loose terms that is). i would love to use pd for this. it can be
>> literally anything, as long as they can easily see a relation between
>> some basic math concepts (number sequences, patterns, etc.) and the
>> sounds they hear while interacting with the patches. the goal is not
>> to have the kids write the patches, but to make them *play* with  
>> them.
>>
>> does anyone have any ideas for this? useful, easy to understand math
>> concepts that could be turned into little musical devices?
>> any feedback will be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> cheerio
>>
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