[PD] Pd performance at TED

Andy Farnell padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk
Tue Jun 21 17:19:00 CEST 2011

LOL KLF. period. enuff said!.

I don't think you're in danger of going OT, the authenticity
thing is right at the heart of this worm feast isn't it?
If Onyx Ashanti's showed up to make a good defence of performance
authenticity, there's actually a danger of constructive debate :)

We laugh at TOTP, but by the late 90's I toured with bands
(definitely to remain nameless) where half the gear on
stage was for show. They were paying roadies to lug five
or six cases of gear around for the flashing lights and the 
brand logos. (To proudly display my shining hypocrisy; we used to have
a cool looking twin beam oscilloscope at a studio. It hardly
ever got used, except when I made sure it was switched on and in
shot for photos.)

With beamer backdrops the laptop only performances and our
live-coding of the last few years have created an extremely
dull audience experience and I'm seeing recent gestural interfaces as 
something of a backlash against that. 

Even in the infancy of RjDj Amaury made a pretty show that got 
everyone talking, the point being it could have been done with much 
less gesture, but look at the style and theatre he adds to firing 
off a few samples.


What we all saw in that patch and performance (as well 
as the moment where they became inseperable) was the 
efficiency an immediacy of expression.

As Ingo said in a PM to me (sorry my bad on the cc Ingo),
he doesn't see why "artists would ever _have_ to explain their 
technology in order to be not labelled as a 'cheater' ", in response 
to me saying it's mainly the other technologists who feel something 
fishy when they see something that's only there as a visual prop.
My point would be by way of agreement, they should never _need_ to.

@Ingo, I definitely didn't want to invoke the idea of "cheating". 
It wouldn't make sense, as someone already said, a flute is "technology",
and to take that standard of authenticity you would have to whistle.
We are going to have to take showmanship for granted here.
The point is one of exposition, and to some extent simplicity is
suggested. What Marco is doing with the muscular acoustic signals is 
almost an opposite IMHO, in its simple boldness (Its still scary
noise though Marco :). You guys (Onyx and Marco) should 
definitely get your brains together on this... theres some middle
ground between the Phantom of the Opera and Locutus of Borg ;)

maybe moving the topic more towards the dance element;
Remember me saying about that Nina Waisman performance I saw?
To date, she is the best example of getting gestural movement 
and synthesis to work. But I guess she started from the POV of
a dancer, not necessarily a musician (?).


On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:40:40 +0100
J bz <jbeezez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well with a danger of this going completely OT...
> My TOTP moments are:
> 1.  New Order always refused to mime and when they did Blue Monday they have
> the distinction of being the only group to perform on TOTP and their song
> going down the chart the next week, and then the week after it went back up
> again.
> 2. The Human League 'don't you want me baby' being the xmas no1 and just as
> Phil Oakey made a super pretentious pose into the camera a sneaky audience
> member hit him full in the mouth and up his nose with loads of
> 'silly-string'.
> 3. For cultural capital the dancer out of Shalimar doing the 1st examples of
> body-popping on British TV.  Everyone was going nuts at school the next day.
> 4.  KLF.
> On 21 June 2011 14:16, Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca> wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Andy Farnell wrote:
> >
> >  Marco's disappointment is understandable (sorry if I misinterpret this
> >> Marco). When I watched "Top of the pops" as a teenager, like many kids of
> >> that age I was outraged that the performers mimed. Sometimes you could see
> >> their instruments were just props. It is very insulting to someone who has
> >> invested effort and emotion to an activity to see it trivialised to a banal
> >> fashion statement. Like a soldier seeing their regimental badge worn as a
> >> punk accessory.
> >>
> >
> > That's why, conceptually, my favourite two performances are XTC's Making
> > Plans for Nigel, in which they made a point of hitting a gong that doesn't
> > sound like one, and... oh, the other one is actually from the similar show
> > American Bandstand : Public Image Limited's Poptones, in which they get
> > bored of miming halfway through the song, and just go dancing with the
> > audience.
> >
> > (But then, I haven't seen so many clips from TOTP and/or ABS.)
> >
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