[PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing features

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Sun, 7/10/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing features
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <ico at vt.edu>, pd-list at iem.at
> Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 7:25 PM
> 
> On Jul 9, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots
> of new editing  
> >> features
> >> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <ico at vt.edu>, pd-list at iem.at
> >> Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 10:38 PM
> >>
> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:48 AM, Jonathan Wilkes
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> <hans at at.or.at>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>> The problem with forks is if improvements
> don't
> >> migrate
> >>>> upstream.
> >>>
> >>> I think it's both a problem-with and a
> cause-of.
> >>
> >> Yup, that makes sense.
> >>
> >>>> Then we don't benefit from sharing the
> >>>> fixes.  Making things migrate
> upstream takes
> >> time in
> >>>> itself.
> >>>
> >>> How does one figure out who has the
> responsibility to
> >> make sure
> >>> things migrate upstream (for example:
> [initbang] and
> >> [closebang])?
> >>
> >> Mostly by someone deciding its important enough
> that they
> >> want to work
> >> on it themself, and then lots of testing and
> >> communication.
> >
> > Ok.  So in patch id#2838176, what is Guenter's
> idea for a clean  
> > implementation of tooltips that you were referring
> to?  I didn't  
> > find anything on the user or dev list.
> 
> Hmm, I can't remember what Günter's proposal was, but I do
> have a  
> vague idea of how to do it cleanly.  I think it should
> be similar to  
> the way its done in Max/MSP.  Basically there is a
> standard function,  
> something like nlet_info(), which returns the tooltip
> info.

Where would one define the standard function?


> Pd would  
> then check whether an object had that function when it
> loaded the  
> binary, and if so register it in the tooltips.

This brings up an issue I've been wondering about since learning a little more about the canvas editor: why does the pd gui send 'motion' messages to pd?  Why not, for example, just have a tag for an inlet rectangle and bind <Enter> and <Leave> to it?  Then you'd only be sending messages from the gui for the events you care about, instead of tons of "motion" messages that don't trigger anything.

-Jonathan

> 
> .hc
> 
> 
> >>>> Try getting a patch into the Linux
> kernel,
> >>>> that'll make Pd seem like cake ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I would hope that making changes to the
> core of
> >> the largest
> >>> free software project in the history of
> computing is a
> >> wee bit more
> >>> difficult than making changes to Pd.
> >>
> >> Actually, there are much bigger projects than
> Linux, things
> >> like
> >> Debian are quite a bit larger in scale.
> >
> > I read a white paper on total development cost of a
> linux distro and  
> > just remembered "linux".  I think the distro in
> the paper was Fedora  
> > 9, which was estimated to be almost an order of
> magnitude more  
> > expensive than the Linux kernel.
> >
> > -Jonathan
> >
> >>
> >> .hc
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -Jonathan
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> .hc
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Jonathan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> And
> >>>>>> anything assigned to Miller and
> reviewed
> >>>> positively by
> >>>>>> IOhannes I'm
> >>>>>> going to defer any action on until
> Miller
> >>>> responds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> .hc
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Jonathan
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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