[PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing features

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Mon, 7/11/11, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:

> From: Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing features
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>, "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <hans at at.or.at>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:56 AM
> 
> 
> Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >--- On Sun, 7/10/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots
> of new editing
> >features
> >> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <ico at vt.edu>, pd-list at iem.at
> >> Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 7:25 PM
> >> 
> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes
> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> <hans at at.or.at>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43
> updates: lots
> >> of new editing  
> >> >> features
> >> >> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> >> >> Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <ico at vt.edu>, pd-list at iem.at
> >> >> Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 10:38 PM
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:48 AM, Jonathan
> Wilkes
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Hans-Christoph
> Steiner
> >> <hans at at.or.at>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [...]
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> The problem with forks is if
> improvements
> >> don't
> >> >> migrate
> >> >>>> upstream.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I think it's both a problem-with and
> a
> >> cause-of.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yup, that makes sense.
> >> >>
> >> >>>> Then we don't benefit from
> sharing the
> >> >>>> fixes.  Making things migrate
> >> upstream takes
> >> >> time in
> >> >>>> itself.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How does one figure out who has the
> >> responsibility to
> >> >> make sure
> >> >>> things migrate upstream (for
> example:
> >> [initbang] and
> >> >> [closebang])?
> >> >>
> >> >> Mostly by someone deciding its important
> enough
> >> that they
> >> >> want to work
> >> >> on it themself, and then lots of testing
> and
> >> >> communication.
> >> >
> >> > Ok.  So in patch id#2838176, what is
> Guenter's
> >> idea for a clean  
> >> > implementation of tooltips that you were
> referring
> >> to?  I didn't  
> >> > find anything on the user or dev list.
> >> 
> >> Hmm, I can't remember what Günter's proposal was,
> but I do
> >> have a  
> >> vague idea of how to do it cleanly.  I think it
> should
> >> be similar to  
> >> the way its done in Max/MSP.  Basically there is
> a
> >> standard function,  
> >> something like nlet_info(), which returns the
> tooltip
> >> info.
> >
> >Where would one define the standard function?
> >
> >
> >> Pd would  
> >> then check whether an object had that function
> when it
> >> loaded the  
> >> binary, and if so register it in the tooltips.
> >
> >This brings up an issue I've been wondering about since
> learning a
> >little more about the canvas editor: why does the pd
> gui send 'motion'
> >messages to pd?  Why not, for example, just have a
> tag for an inlet
> >rectangle and bind <Enter> and <Leave> to
> it?  Then you'd only be
> >sending messages from the gui for the events you care
> about, instead of
> >tons of "motion" messages that don't trigger anything.
> 
> I may be way off the mark here, if I  recall correctly
> I think that info is used for dragging stuff and similar
> actions.

Yes, it is, but I was just thinking that extending a wire from an outlet, which sends a message to pd every mouse motion and walks through the objects in the glist to see if it hit a box, could be simplified if you just handled it on the gui end.  Then only send a message if the wire connection is successful, or if there is a disconnection.

But I guess you'd still have to send a message every pixel you drag an object in editmode anyway.

> 
> >
> >-Jonathan
> >
> >> 
> >> .hc
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >>>> Try getting a patch into the
> Linux
> >> kernel,
> >> >>>> that'll make Pd seem like cake
> ;-)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, I would hope that making changes
> to the
> >> core of
> >> >> the largest
> >> >>> free software project in the history
> of
> >> computing is a
> >> >> wee bit more
> >> >>> difficult than making changes to Pd.
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, there are much bigger projects
> than
> >> Linux, things
> >> >> like
> >> >> Debian are quite a bit larger in scale.
> >> >
> >> > I read a white paper on total development
> cost of a
> >> linux distro and  
> >> > just remembered "linux".  I think the distro
> in
> >> the paper was Fedora  
> >> > 9, which was estimated to be almost an order
> of
> >> magnitude more  
> >> > expensive than the Linux kernel.
> >> >
> >> > -Jonathan
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> .hc
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Jonathan
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> .hc
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -Jonathan
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> And
> >> >>>>>> anything assigned to
> Miller and
> >> reviewed
> >> >>>> positively by
> >> >>>>>> IOhannes I'm
> >> >>>>>> going to defer any action
> on until
> >> Miller
> >> >>>> responds.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> .hc
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> -Jonathan
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>    http://at.or.at/hans/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> 
> >> 
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> 
> 
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