[PD] Keyboard shortcuts for "nudge", "done editing"

[Jonathan Wilkes]

----- Original Message -----

> From: Marvin Humphrey <marvin at rectangular.com>
> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Richie Cyngler <glitchpop at gmail.com>; "pd-list at iem.at" <pd-list at iem.at>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for "nudge", "done editing"
> 
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 05:33:22PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>  If you are planning on making substantial contributions to Pd Vanilla,
> 
> I wouldn't say I'm "planning" on it -- more that I'd like 
> to keep that option
> open.
> 
>>  you should consider making a few "test" contributions to gauge 
> the amount of
>>  time and energy it will take you to get patches accepted; something like a
>>  patch for getting this <control-enter> key binding would be a good 
> start.
> 
> Indeed, I've already started that process, by negotiating the shape of the
> patch to come and building consensus.  :) There's been some question as to
> what key combo should be used.  It seems that [modifier]-Enter is already in
> use and people are happy with it, so I'll go that direction despite my mild
> personal preference for <ESC>. 
> 
> A patch which has consensus support from the community probably has a better
> chance at being applied, even under BDFL governance.  :)   But consensus can
> be costly to achieve depending on the project's culture...
> 
>>  Also, realize that any substantial changes you make may sit in the patch
>>  tracker for some time -- it's not easy getting them accepted, nor
>>  communicating with Miller if they don't.
> 
> Well, controlling entities for open source projects have to be responsive to
> their communities.  If they are not, they get forked, or people move on to
> other things.

It's been forked-- four times (AFAIK).  Nova, DesireData, Pd-extended, and 
Pd-l2ork.  Two of those forks-- Nova and DesireData-- had explicitly 
stated goals which basically boiled down to being more responsive to 
the Pd community (in addition to many other things).

I believe the author of Nova moved on to developing parallelism for 
Supercollider, which will probably become a core part of Supercollider 
well before any revision of his 7-year old tooltip patch ever gets included 
in Pd Vanilla.  So as a perfect example of your theory, yes-- Pd gets 
forked, and/or people move on to other things!

Pd-extended and Pd-l2ork are extant.  There there has 
been some effort to lessen the number of core differences between 
Vanilla and Pd-extended.

> 
> But it's also generally true that large, boil-the-ocean patches are costly 
> to
> review, especially for stable projects with large user bases, and so
> contributors are well-advised to bear that in mind and prepare small,
> easily-digested morsels when possible.
> 
>>  Additionally, if they are big, desirable improvements to the Pd community 
>>  they may find their way into Pd-extended anyway.
> 
> So long as contributions to Vanilla are integrated into Pd-extended in a way
> that adheres to the provisions of Vanilla's BSD license, then there's no
> problem. :)

The three clauses of the BSD license used by Pd Vanilla are compatible with both 
the GPL v2 & v3

-Jonathan

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marvin Humphrey
>