[PD] [semi-OT]: Licenses [WAS] Re: expr alternative

Julian Brooks jbeezez at gmail.com
Tue Oct 25 16:06:25 CEST 2011

I for one find all the license talk fascinating.  I'm still smarting from
Mathieu's response to the question 'what is free software? - answer " a set
of licenses", from a while back.  Whereas I like to think of it as an
ethical and political manifesto/code of conduct, he's quite correct that yes
it is just a bunch of licenses.

Slightly OT but has anyone come across the 'telekommunist manifesto'


I really like some of the writing therein regarding licensing and how as a
community we are getting royally fucked by the recent'ish strain of
hyper-aggressive-capitalism that is loving our willingness for our work to
be appropriated and incorporated within an online marketing exercise.  Vimeo
and soundcloud being a couple that spring to mind that I'm a content
provider for (and am in the process of rethinking).

I know that in some ways this is not a new argument but it's certainly still

I think also it comes down to the same arguments I was having in the late
Eighties/early Nineties where it basically comes down to - which side are
you on?

I for one very consciously chose to be working within the music industry but
in Manchester and very much in the Independent sector.  As far as I was
concerned we were cooler, 2 steps ahead, we had more fun and there was
nowhere else I wanted to be.  Pd and being based at the University of
Huddersfield has given me that feeling back again.

In these moments I start to hear Billy Burroughs croaking in my inner ear:
"watch whose money you pick up"



On 25 October 2011 13:17, i go bananas <hard.off at gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah.  this is a very unfair part of the music industry too.  the
> originators get forgotten, and the follow on-ers get all the benefits.
> take this 'new' scene of dubstep that has just sprung up.  you have
> american kids with faked writs cuts drawn with texta pens to impress the
> twilight emo vampire wannabe crowd, making terrible soul-less versions of
> the original sound and filling it to the brim with cheesy melodies, and
> snare drum rushes.
> the originators have earnt nothing for too long, and go back to their day
> jobs.
> and the emo chumps sip jack daniels and diet coke with tommy lee and rave
> on about how they're living the rockstar lifestyle.
> i am just a simple person with 5 fingers on each hand, and a high school
> education, and solutions to these sort of inequities are beyond me.
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:20:32 +0900
>> i go bananas <hard.off at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > However, one of the real special gems for me in my journey through the
>> world
>> > of pd, was discovering that not only was it a fantastic way to program,
>> but
>> > also, that Miller had issued pd through a license that i had never even
>> > heard of before, and it was the best sort of license i could imagine.
>>  It
>> > was a dream come true, when i got a job to do audio development and i
>> could
>> > just do it all in pd because we could just embed the entire pd program
>> > inside our app.
>> Yes it's wonderful. The magic of Millers Pd and our persistent advocacy of
>> it
>> paid off, and it's opened the door for scores of new companies, hundreds
>> of new
>> breed audio programmers who can rapidly produce thousands of cool new
>> products.
>> And it's great to hear you landed on your feet with a gig doing a skilled
>> and
>> very enjoyable thing. ;)
>> It would be remiss to not mention that the early movers this direction had
>> to
>> fight tooth and nail _against_ the manufacturers who ultimately share in
>> the
>> profits of this business. And we continue to fight daily against moronic
>> anti-economies of shortsighted, lazy, greedy, controlling "profit before
>> productivity" thinking.
>> --
>> Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
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