[PD] expr alternative

Andy Farnell padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk
Mon Oct 31 00:23:19 CET 2011

Sorry about the South Park bit Georg,

I was trying to be too clever and do a snotty thing, making
a scathing wise-guy commentary on a company and community, 
while not "naming any names".

As a believer in plain communication I should have the 
courage to just come out and say it:

Apple are a crap company, They treat their developers
like shit by making them pawns in a game, and it would serve
developers better to walk away from their platform and stop 
helping them hurt free software. 


Unfortunately some sensitive people take issue with that
kind of plain talk.

And you're absolutely right, as I happily concede, asking is
appropriate, even if it does cause discomfort. Now, since 
Hardoff asked both parties, and got an enthusiastic response 
from the author, and IRCAM down the chain, we are just waiting 
for Apple to enthusiastically respond or defend their position 
with a cogent argument.

So far it's looking like Kafka's "Before the Law", except
with riddles and obfuscated tautologies in place of the
gatekeepers simple refusal.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:40:16 +0100
Georg Bosch <kram at stillavailable.com> wrote:

> Am 24.10.2011 um 11:55 schrieb Andy Farnell:
> > On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:54:59 +0900
> > i go bananas <hard.off at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>> What makes you think its okay to ask someone to reconsider a
> >> carefully made moral decision simply for your convenience?<<
> >>
> >> I thought it would be ok to ask at least?  Would it really be that  
> >> bad?
> >
> > Sure. I can only tell you my own experience of that. Would you care  
> > to hear why
> > it's bad? based on personal experience I'll explain what I think.
> I usually stay away from discussions like this, but I strongly  
> disagree here. IMHO asking is always ok.
> My experience, both asking and being asked, is this: if you release  
> something, you have to deal with licensing, and though some aspects of  
> it are interesting, its a nuisance to deal with generally. I want to  
> do fun stuff with code, not wade through legal terms. What could be  
> better than just asking the person who wrote the code 'hey, is it ok  
> if i use it for this and that' and an actual human being replies? The  
> chance to bypass all legalese and just ask the creator is certainly a  
> nice feature of the internet.
> Ironically, these things were - in contrast to bananas initial  
> question - mostly related to apple (i.e. pd code for rjdj scenes). And  
> while I am certainly not amused by apples current lock-in policies &  
> business practices, the experience of being able to talk directly with  
> the author for me far outweighs having licenses fighting each other,  
> even if its for the better of mankind or the economy.
> If you have strong moral or political ideas behind your licensing  
> choice, I don't see a problem when the are - literally - questioned:  
> stand by them or question them yourself, it's your choice. And I had a  
> hard time following Andy's Southpark and Drug dealer analogies - even  
> though I read a whole book he wrote ;)
> Cheers,
> Georg
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