[PD] expr alternative

Wed Nov 2 13:01:28 CET 2011

Hi list...

Just to say that, even if my patchs are published under GPL, as I
definitely need my lines to be straight (or not aliased), I would prefer
[expr] to be under BSD, like Pd-Vanilla is...

Cheers...

01ivier

2011/10/31 i go bananas <hard.off at gmail.com>

> that's what i have just asked about.
>
> if you read back about halfway up the thread, max posted a mail saying
> that IRCAM are willing to change the license to LGPL.
>
> so i'm now wondering, that of course it is a hassle to contact all the
> original authors, but if none of them have moral views against BSD, then
> maybe that would be an easier course of action that code rewrite.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't you need to get permission from Ircam, too?
>>
>> They are listed as a copyright holder, for example, in vexp.c.
>>
>> There is also the following list of authors:
>> * Authors: Maurizio De Cecco, Francois Dechelle, Enzo Maggi, Norbert
>> Schnell.
>>
>> -Jonathan
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* i go bananas <hard.off at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>> *Cc:* PD-List <pd-list at iem.at>; Georg Bosch <kram at stillavailable.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2011 11:04 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [PD] expr alternative
>>
>>  i just got a reply and they are reviewing my question, so hopefully we
>> can find out if they currently allow LGPL.
>>
>> however, even if the do, i PERSONALLY still think a BSD [expr] would be
>> much better.
>>
>> i know there were a lot of heated comments in this thread defending GPL,
>> but if the author of the object would prefer to go with BSD, and if all
>> that keeps him from doing the work is a little time and motivation, well, i
>> can't really give him any time, but i can maybe help with motivation.
>>
>> Am i on my own if i try to do that?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>>
>>
>> Another side of it is that the GPL and LGPL do not allow additional
>> restrictions to be placed on the code.  The VLC and GNU Go complaints as I
>> understood them were specifically about the Apple App Store placing
>> additional restrictions on the code.  So that would affect LGPL and GPL
>> alike.  An app that includes some LGPL code might be a grey area since
>> there is no possible expectation of producing a binary exactly like the
>> original, since not all the code's licenses require that, so distributing
>> the LGPL part separate might be enough.
>>
>> With the GPL, the whole app needs to be GPL compatible, so therefore
>> there is an easy test: every user must be able to freely recreate the
>> binary, and freely install, run, and modify it.  That's something that the
>> Apple App Store definitely restricts.
>>
>> I don't think this will really be resolved until Apple drops those terms
>> or the FSF makes a statement on the LGPL in the Apple App Store.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2011, at 10:49 AM, i go bananas wrote:
>>
>> > i just called a couple of apple numbers.  first one had me on hold for
>> 10 minutes so i  gave up, 2nd one was useless.
>> >
>> > BUT third one was a rather helpful lady whose name i now have and she
>> has issued me a 'case number' so my question is now listed in their system
>> at least, so hopefully i can get the 'yay or nay' from apple on LGPL code
>> in iOS applications.
>> >
>> > Also, i have already contacted a friend who works for a company making
>> high profile iOS applications, and from what he is saying LGPL is OK.
>> > it seems the main problem with plain GPL is that apple doesn't want to
>> release their own surrounding code, which the GPL would force them to do.
>> > As far as i can see, LGPL doesn't have this strict requirement.  You
>> just need to make the LGPL part available to anyone who wants it.
>> >
>> > Will keep hammering away here.  LGPL sounds like it might be a better
>> option, but i still reckon if Mr Yadegari is in favour of BSD, then that
>> would be the best outcome.
>> > Personally i'd be happy to donate a couple of hundred dollars even to
>> see a unified license for PD, but as this thread has shown, it sounds like
>> i may get hippies camping on my lawn waving their GPL flags and trying to
>> bum my goldfish.
>> >
>> > Just casually browsing through a bunch of PD patches this afternoon
>> though, [expr] and especially [expr~] are undeniably useful and show up in
>> so many patches.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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