[PD] no pd?? WTF ????
pat at digitalworlds.ufl.edu
Wed Jan 11 00:33:51 CET 2012
I would not try to crack Max/Msp, nor do any of my students engage in such poor practices
I took a Kyma class in Grad school, it sounded awesome but was way out of my price range of course
From: pd-list-bounces at iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces at iem.at] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wilkes
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:24 PM
To: Richie Cyngler
Cc: pd list; Ben Baker-Smith
Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
No, there really are music students out there looking at what they need in order to be successful, and
when most of the voices around them are aggressively (and often ignorantly) suggesting only
proprietary tools that cost lots of money, these students save up their meager resources in order to
buy them. I'm talking about students who are probably already in debt from loans, and it's quite common
that they max out on their technology budget and as a consequence are unable to attend a
What's even worse is that these constrained options lead to a lot of those students downloading
cracked copies of proprietary software (and the negative effects there usually manifest themselves
more quickly and concretely).
From: Richie Cyngler <glitchpop at gmail.com<mailto:glitchpop at gmail.com>>
To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com<mailto:jancsika at yahoo.com>>
Cc: Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com<mailto:bbakersmith at gmail.com>>; pd list <pd-list at iem.at<mailto:pd-list at iem.at>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
Not a bad point... but, or more likely because they are supporting only those artists able to afford such things as expensive software, travel and food.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com<mailto:jancsika at yahoo.com>> wrote:
I can't think of a better example of the vicious cycle of software lock-in than this.
They don't have money to offer financial support, so they have to rely on the tools
that they know, which are proprietary and expensive, thus making it even less likely
that a composer would be able to afford to travel to the concert (because he/she
had to spend money on either Max/MSP or Kyma to composer the piece in the first
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> From: Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com<mailto:bbakersmith at gmail.com>>
> To: pd list <pd-list at iem.at<mailto:pd-list at iem.at>>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
> Hi list!
> I got a more clear response from the organizers on this issue than
> anything I've seen in this thread so far - here it is:
>> Hi Ben,
>> thanks for your Interest in our Call.
>> We accepts only patches made with Kyma or Max/MSP due the fact we are not
> able to provide
>> financial support for the two selected composers. So it is possible that
> they will not be able to be in Milan for the concert.
>> To avoid technical issues we choose the plattforms we already use in our
> work or we are very familiar with.
>> This is the only reason.
>> If the selected composer can assure us to be available for the concert the
> can be used any piece of software/hardware.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Many thanks
>> Federico Placidi
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