[PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????

Jonathan Wilkes jancsika at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 13 04:08:24 CET 2012

----- Original Message -----

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>; pd list <pd-list at iem.at>; Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:50 PM
> Subject: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????
> On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
>>>  To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>>>  Cc: Richie Cyngler <glitchpop at gmail.com>; pd list 
> <pd-list at iem.at>; Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:09 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
>>>  And that's not the end of the vicious cycle.
>>>  Students who saved their money to buy a Max license are often unwilling 
> to 
>>>  accept that their work could have been done as easy in Pd, and 
> sometimes even 
>>>  better and/or easier.
>>  If you think of free 
>>  software as an ethical issue like I do and are talking about free programs 
> that have a 
>>  proprietary alternative, there is still an important division between those 
> programs that are 
>>  free and superior to their proprietary counterparts on practical grounds, 
> and those that 
>>  don't have the same feature set as their proprietary counterparts (but 
> are still quite good).
>>  In terms of ease of patching, Pd is clearly in the latter camp-- Max has 
> infinite undo, a 
>>  "Tidy Up" that actually _does_ something useful, and a set of 
> externals that allows to make 
>>  multiple connections at once and lots of other shortcuts (maybe these are 
> part of the core now, 
>>  I'm not sure).  Plus tooltips, anchors to resize guis/boxes/messages, 
> and probably lots of 
>>  other things that make patching easier.
>>  I use Pd and free software (almost) exclusively, but we should be clear 
> about which features 
>>  are available and which are not.
> Excellent point.
> Speaking of, is your tooltips patch fully functional in Pd-extended 0.43?  I 
> believe it is included, right?  It would be great to ship with that working.

There was the problem that if you did [loadbang]-[tip 1 blah blah blah(-[s pd-this-canvas.pd] 
the label doesn't get the right width.  I tried using the <<Loaded>> virtual event and it didn't 
work, and then I think you said that the patch should be finished drawing before <<Loaded>> 

I could just use after idle or update idletasks but those are heavily critiqued on the tcl wiki...


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