[PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????
Jonathan Wilkes
jancsika at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 13 04:08:24 CET 2012
----- Original Message -----
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>; pd list <pd-list at iem.at>; Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:50 PM
> Subject: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????
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>
> On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
>>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: Richie Cyngler <glitchpop at gmail.com>; pd list
> <pd-list at iem.at>; Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
>>>
>>> And that's not the end of the vicious cycle.
>>> Students who saved their money to buy a Max license are often unwilling
> to
>>> accept that their work could have been done as easy in Pd, and
> sometimes even
>>> better and/or easier.
>>
>> If you think of free
>> software as an ethical issue like I do and are talking about free programs
> that have a
>> proprietary alternative, there is still an important division between those
> programs that are
>> free and superior to their proprietary counterparts on practical grounds,
> and those that
>> don't have the same feature set as their proprietary counterparts (but
> are still quite good).
>>
>> In terms of ease of patching, Pd is clearly in the latter camp-- Max has
> infinite undo, a
>> "Tidy Up" that actually _does_ something useful, and a set of
> externals that allows to make
>> multiple connections at once and lots of other shortcuts (maybe these are
> part of the core now,
>> I'm not sure). Plus tooltips, anchors to resize guis/boxes/messages,
> and probably lots of
>> other things that make patching easier.
>>
>> I use Pd and free software (almost) exclusively, but we should be clear
> about which features
>> are available and which are not.
>
> Excellent point.
>
> Speaking of, is your tooltips patch fully functional in Pd-extended 0.43? I
> believe it is included, right? It would be great to ship with that working.
There was the problem that if you did [loadbang]-[tip 1 blah blah blah(-[s pd-this-canvas.pd]
the label doesn't get the right width. I tried using the <<Loaded>> virtual event and it didn't
work, and then I think you said that the patch should be finished drawing before <<Loaded>>
happens.
I could just use after idle or update idletasks but those are heavily critiqued on the tcl wiki...
-Jonathan
>
> .hc
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