[PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????
hans at at.or.at
Fri Jan 13 05:20:03 CET 2012
On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>; pd list <pd-list at iem.at>; Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:50 PM
>> Subject: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????
>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
>>>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: Richie Cyngler <glitchpop at gmail.com>; pd list
>> <pd-list at iem.at>; Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
>>>> And that's not the end of the vicious cycle.
>>>> Students who saved their money to buy a Max license are often unwilling
>>>> accept that their work could have been done as easy in Pd, and
>> sometimes even
>>>> better and/or easier.
>>> If you think of free
>>> software as an ethical issue like I do and are talking about free programs
>> that have a
>>> proprietary alternative, there is still an important division between those
>> programs that are
>>> free and superior to their proprietary counterparts on practical grounds,
>> and those that
>>> don't have the same feature set as their proprietary counterparts (but
>> are still quite good).
>>> In terms of ease of patching, Pd is clearly in the latter camp-- Max has
>> infinite undo, a
>>> "Tidy Up" that actually _does_ something useful, and a set of
>> externals that allows to make
>>> multiple connections at once and lots of other shortcuts (maybe these are
>> part of the core now,
>>> I'm not sure). Plus tooltips, anchors to resize guis/boxes/messages,
>> and probably lots of
>>> other things that make patching easier.
>>> I use Pd and free software (almost) exclusively, but we should be clear
>> about which features
>>> are available and which are not.
>> Excellent point.
>> Speaking of, is your tooltips patch fully functional in Pd-extended 0.43? I
>> believe it is included, right? It would be great to ship with that working.
> There was the problem that if you did [loadbang]-[tip 1 blah blah blah(-[s pd-this-canvas.pd]
> the label doesn't get the right width. I tried using the <<Loaded>> virtual event and it didn't
> work, and then I think you said that the patch should be finished drawing before <<Loaded>>
> I could just use after idle or update idletasks but those are heavily critiqued on the tcl wiki...
'update' is bad news, but 'after idle' is fine. It just might lead to tricky bugs since things will not necessarily execute in the order you might think.
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