[PD] translation completeness (Was: Re: Spanish translation)

Tom Javel tom.javel at gmail.com
Thu Jan 26 07:49:05 CET 2012 

Hello,

When i did the french translation i kept such inconsistencies
(msec/ms) to glue to Pd native appearance ; i think translations may
respect the size of the string (to help GUI geometry manager) ; (i
mean french is always longuer than english so i had to modify a little
bit sometimes to keep it short).

So my opinion : FIRST change this inconsistencies in the english
version and translators will do it AFTER for the others.

(Jean Sapristi).

2012/1/25 Martin Peach <martin.peach at sympatico.ca>:
> It looks as though units named after people are capitalized (Hertz, Newton,
> Farad vs meter, liter, gram).
>
> Martin
>
>
> On 2012-01-25 17:17, Max wrote:
>>
>> ok, if that's settled then let's adress a few other inconsistencies in the
>> audio dialog:
>>
>> sample rate:____ delay (msec):_____<- why is there a unit for the delay
>> and not for the sample rate?
>> also i'm not sure about the capitalisation. why is it all small? at least
>> in german that would be all capitalized.
>>
>>
>> proposed:
>> sample rate(Hz):____ delay (ms):_____
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 25.01.2012 um 23:06 schrieb Martin Peach:
>>
>>> It should be ms
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2012-01-25 16:47, Max wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i can do that - but which norm do we agree on, ms or msec?
>>>> i vote for ms, any objections?
>>>>
>>>> m.
>>>>
>>>> Am 25.01.2012 um 22:43 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be good to have in a bug report, or even better, a patch to
>>>>> apply to pd.
>>>>>
>>>>> .hc
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Max wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> also inconsistent: milliseconds are sometimes abbreviated (ms) and at
>>>>>> other places (msec)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 25.01.2012 um 17:01 schrieb Max:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One reason to leave those blank would be that corrections in the
>>>>>>> original would be immediately in the translation.
>>>>>>> There is a lot which is inconsistent, for example that all items in
>>>>>>> the menu are capitalized, only the contents in the Media menu stand out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> m.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 25.01.2012 um 16:44 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That seems to depend on the translators and editing software.  I
>>>>>>>> don't think there is a strong technical reason to do it either way.
>>>>>>>>  transifex encourages people to copy over the English untranslated rather
>>>>>>>> than leave it blank since it has those progress bars that only count fields
>>>>>>>> that have content in them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in case the translation is identical to the template, then the
>>>>>>>>> translation-field should better be left empty or should be copied anyway?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 25.01.2012 um 03:38 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the first complete translation was en_CA. People like
>>>>>>>>>> their own languages with all the details. I say the more the merrier, let
>>>>>>>>>> people have it the way they like it :-)  Maybe I'll make a de_US and make my
>>>>>>>>>> own translation in my bastard German .  Or Amish German. ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ¡Hola Jaime!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the system is locking the ones which are worked on.
>>>>>>>>>>> if you look at the overview page
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/
>>>>>>>>>>> you can see which ones are currently locked.
>>>>>>>>>>> when clicking on them it will tell you for how many more minutes
>>>>>>>>>>> the lock is valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i don't know how significant the differences between mexican and
>>>>>>>>>>> castilian are, but someone decided to make a mexican translation first. i
>>>>>>>>>>> recon that was rather a political statement then a practical thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i did some small corrections on both such as adding the ¡ and ¿
>>>>>>>>>>> symbols at the beginnings of exclamations and questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> max
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 24.01.2012 um 19:20 schrieb Jaime Oliver:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to get to the translation, but cannot for some
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I get a warning: "This translation is locked by someone else."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are we not trying to achieve a single spanish translation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Max<abonnements at revolwear.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there was a finished mexican translation, so i took the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contents of that and filled the gaps of the spanish (castilian) translation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spaniards please check if that's correct:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/l/es/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> m.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 22.01.2012 um 21:35 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transifex is a great place to start, post here with any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.  We're all learning it.  But so far, I've found it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straightforward except for a couple small things with the navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Björn Eriksson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Hans-Christoph!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for not getting back to you before now...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st: thanks for explaining!  Now it´s clear about what´s the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation activities are about!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd: I think what might be possible is to start with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transifex translation work - and from there see how things go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd:  Yeah... Floss manuals would be great to translate. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think all these things will be a matter of available time. I will start with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the transifex soon I hope!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might give you a question or two if there is some things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the transifex that i dont get.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Björn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/1/18 Hans-Christoph Steiner<hans at at.or.at>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Björn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, I'm just talking about translating the interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Pd itself.  It would be great to also translate the learning materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and even help patches too, that's a much bigger question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For translating Pd's interface, just create an account in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Transifex and edit the translation file, or create a new one if your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language isn't there.  That's pretty straightforward, you'll see a list of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the English words and phrases used in the interface, and next to it you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> write the translation:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For documentation, I don't know much about tools for helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate prose, but I do know that the FLOSS Manuals site is well setup to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host translations.  So perhaps a good place to start would be to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation of the Pure Data manual there.  And of course, if you find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things you should update in the English version, please go ahead and update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them as you see fit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.flossmanuals.net/PureData/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the help patches, that's a harder question right now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because we don't have a way to host help patches of multiple languages.  It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a matter of replacing all the help patches included in Pd-extended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with your translated ones.  I suppose that could be scripted so it wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be hard to do.  Ideally, someone will add localization support to pd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches, then each help patch could contain multiple languages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Björn Eriksson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sending this offlist as I am so bad updated on the status of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the translation works in general for Pd. As I am regulary holding Pure Data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> courses here in Sweden, then I have more than twice been thinking it would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be good to start some translation works for Swedish... but at same time I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not interested to start something that seems too complicated and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> troublesome. So I have some basic questions you might answer...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. How is the translation implemented.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is it mainly the help pd files that the translation are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Will it be possible to invite other contributors for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translations (into swedish)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Will there be some responsibility to announce and update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indifferent web resources.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in other words:... maybe it´s already explained and I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read more somewhere - or maybe you can just hit me a little?   or just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer the questions?   or i post this to the pd list and someone there can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demystify this for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely I could look around and search for some of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers myself, but just in case it´s easily answered - I am eager to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Björn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Hans-Christoph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steiner<hans at at.or.at>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be a flurry of translation activity right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates to Hungarian, French, Italian, and German and new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added: es_ES, es_MX, ca, ko, and lv.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are the speaker of one of these languages, check out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and make comments, suggestions, improvements, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now, the transifex project is wide open to any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributor.  We can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change that to team-based permissions if anyone wants.  Even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone could take over the admin of the transifex project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and leave me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work on other Pd things :-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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