[PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] New snapshot of pd-l2ork available -- feedback appreciated

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at at.or.at
Sun Feb 12 18:51:12 CET 2012

On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

>> Thanks a lot!
>> Ivica, what about using this for backtrace?
>> http://code.google.com/p/backtrace-mingw/
> It is not necessary. It is a matter of making sure you use proper build system. The current code should build just fine on Windows (although I never tried it) as its build system is based on Pd-extended which also builds for Windows. The problem does not lie therefore in backtracing but rather revamping pd.tk to circumvent fixes and improvements that do not take into account OSs other than Linux. Some work has been already done with this in the early days when I was working on having these improvements submitted upstream. Also, understand that while pd.tk is on paper one version behind latest 0.43 tcl implementation, it also has plenty of improvements that do not exist in 0.43, so in some respects is ahead of curve (but is also behind in terms of code-cleanliness). At some point those may have to be reconciled (likely once 0.43 branch is rock solid tcl-wise (which may be already the case), I find enough time to do this, and a reason to do it).

I'm happy to help in this process where I can.  I did it myself not so long ago, since the pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 development was based off of vanilla, then I had to port all my changes from pd-extended 0.42 to vanilla 0.43  I also used that as a time to switch the pd-extended core to git and have it based off of the pure-data.git.  This makes it much much less work for me to both keep in sync with Miller and to submit patches to Miller.

As for reasons, I can try to give you a couple:

- Pd window that handles different log post levels (fatal, error, normal, debug, etc.) and dynamically changes views between those levels

- drastically faster posting to the Pd window (1000s of message per second without preventing patching).

- easy customization using GUI plugins

- full UTF-8 support

- localization and already many translations

More info here:



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