[PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

[Jonathan Wilkes]

----- Original Message -----
> From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>; pd-list List <pd-list at iem.at>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43
> 
> Le 2012-03-06 à 15:38:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
> 
>> Status bar would be like an extra widget (label I guess) running the full 
> width of the window that is below the canvas, so it won't overlap the canvas 
> but wouldn't leave after the tip goes away.
> 
> How do I say that... Make sure that you don't create a situation in which 
> people have to add more extra room in each patch to make space for something 
> that may be transient but might overlap the wrong thing, e.g. the thing 
> you're trying to edit or to have tip info about.

There's no way that would happen either way the current transient window item 
implementation.

> 
> Note that currently, patches save the window size, and not the canvas size. 
> Perhaps it is time to move to saving a fudged canvas size, that is meant to be 
> compatible with existing patches but is meant to compensate for a permanent 
> status bar or any other additional structure.

Well, if anyone decides to use the status bar approach I guess they would need 
to take that into account.

> 
> The transient thing is harder to take into account... it is meant to both be 
> used as a statusbar, and be counted as canvas space ?...

It is a canvas item on the same canvas as objects, etc.  Mine is a window item, I'm 
not sure if Ivica kept it that way but in both instances it's an item that exists on the 
canvas and gets deleted when the tip goes away.

> 
> I don't know, I think that canvas space is somewhat more touchy to manage in 
> pd than in firefox, and I would think that it's not that much about 
> full-width... the full-height seems at least as important... and the fact that 
> pd patches always state their own size, while web pages rarely do... and pd 
> patches more often rely on it... and it's often because they have no real 
> means to do otherwise.

I have no idea what this means.  Try out the tooltips and see how they interact with 
the canvas.  I am in no way resizing the canvas nor the window.

-Jonathan
 
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