[PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

[Jonathan Wilkes]

----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> To: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> Cc: pd-list List <pd-list at iem.at>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>; pd-list List 
> <pd-list at iem.at>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43
>> 
>> Le 2012-03-06 à 15:38:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
>> 
>>> Status bar would be like an extra widget (label I guess) running the 
> full 
>> width of the window that is below the canvas, so it won't overlap the 
> canvas 
>> but wouldn't leave after the tip goes away.
>> 
>> How do I say that... Make sure that you don't create a situation in 
> which 
>> people have to add more extra room in each patch to make space for 
> something 
>> that may be transient but might overlap the wrong thing, e.g. the thing 
>> you're trying to edit or to have tip info about.
> 
> There's no way that would happen either way the current transient window 
> item 
> implementation.

Oops, I meant there's no way that would happen with the current implementation.

> 
>> 
>> Note that currently, patches save the window size, and not the canvas size. 
> 
>> Perhaps it is time to move to saving a fudged canvas size, that is meant to 
> be 
>> compatible with existing patches but is meant to compensate for a permanent 
> 
>> status bar or any other additional structure.
> 
> Well, if anyone decides to use the status bar approach I guess they would need 
> to take that into account.
> 
>> 
>> The transient thing is harder to take into account... it is meant to both 
> be 
>> used as a statusbar, and be counted as canvas space ?...
> 
> It is a canvas item on the same canvas as objects, etc.  Mine is a window item, 
> I'm 
> not sure if Ivica kept it that way but in both instances it's an item that 
> exists on the 
> canvas and gets deleted when the tip goes away.
> 
>> 
>> I don't know, I think that canvas space is somewhat more touchy to 
> manage in 
>> pd than in firefox, and I would think that it's not that much about 
>> full-width... the full-height seems at least as important... and the fact 
> that 
>> pd patches always state their own size, while web pages rarely do... and pd 
> 
>> patches more often rely on it... and it's often because they have no 
> real 
>> means to do otherwise.
> 
> I have no idea what this means.  Try out the tooltips and see how they interact 
> with 
> the canvas.  I am in no way resizing the canvas nor the window.
> 
> -Jonathan
>  
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