[PD] list etiquette

[Scott R. Looney]

sorry - looks like i wasn't being completely clear with that last
statement. it started out as a request to filter a particular member from
the list. the 'you should be aware' quote was more generally directed at
everyone, not a particular individual in question. as in 'if someone was
going to single out another on this list, they should be aware of their
positive contributions'. no offense or accusation was implied.

best,

scott



On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Scott
>
> Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear
> this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm
> definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his
> contributions.
>
> Cheers
> Dafydd
>
>
>
> On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" <scottrlooney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> i'll chime in first -  as i am a new member of the list, and having
> trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would
> say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list
> largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an
> occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists
> are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking
> behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended  and the flame war ensues.
> whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty
> bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.
>
> so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose
> positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their
> occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find
> insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i
> would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are
> referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of
> his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on
> this list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for
> me to give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express
> displeasure at others on the list, although i did not agree with his
> viewpoint that HC was taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu
> seems to want to move PD forward as much as the rest of us based on what
> i've read, but as always there will be some differences as to the best way
> to do it while keeping the values of open source collaboration intact.
>
> scott
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
>>
>> On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone
>> > of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one
>> member.
>> >
>> > I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member,
>> > but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
>> >
>> > -Jonathan
>> >
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61 at gmail.com>
>> >> To: ALAN BROOKER <alan.brooker2010 at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: mahatGma rabintrah <mahatgma at gmail.com>; pd-list at iem.at
>> >> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
>> >>
>> >> Hey folks
>> >>
>> >> Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too
>> >> long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those
>> >> for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
>> >>
>> >> As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a
>> >> specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list
>> >> administrators. Is this correct?
>> >>
>> >> And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking
>> >> about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if
>> >> they're not written down, correct?
>> >>
>> >> I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly
>> >> reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting
>> >> back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I
>> >> have to agree with Alan Brooker:
>> >>
>> >>> Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get
>> >>> some good will together.
>> >>
>> >> Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I
>> >> probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly
>> >> supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths,
>> >> isn't it?
>> >>
>> >> cheers
>> >> dafydd
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Pd-list at iem.at mailing list
>> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pd-list at iem.at mailing list
>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
>>
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20120310/38eadd63/attachment.htm>