[PD] list etiquette

[Dafydd Hughes]

Hey Scott - yeah I figured that was the case.

Now let's make some art!

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney at gmail.com> wrote:
> sorry - looks like i wasn't being completely clear with that last statement.
> it started out as a request to filter a particular member from the list. the
> 'you should be aware' quote was more generally directed at everyone, not a
> particular individual in question. as in 'if someone was going to single out
> another on this list, they should be aware of their positive contributions'.
> no offense or accusation was implied.
>
> best,
>
> scott
>
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> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Scott
>>
>> Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear
>> this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm
>> definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his
>> contributions.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dafydd
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" <scottrlooney at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> i'll chime in first -  as i am a new member of the list, and having
>> trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would
>> say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list
>> largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an
>> occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists
>> are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking
>> behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended  and the flame war ensues.
>> whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty
>> bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.
>>
>> so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose
>> positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their
>> occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find
>> insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i
>> would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are
>> referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of
>> his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this
>> list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to
>> give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at
>> others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was
>> taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD
>> forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always
>> there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the
>> values of open source collaboration intact.
>>
>> scott
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
>>>
>>> On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone
>>> > of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one
>>> > member.
>>> >
>>> > I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list
>>> > member,
>>> > but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
>>> >
>>> > -Jonathan
>>> >
>>> >> ________________________________
>>> >> From: Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61 at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: ALAN BROOKER <alan.brooker2010 at gmail.com>
>>> >> Cc: mahatGma rabintrah <mahatgma at gmail.com>; pd-list at iem.at
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey folks
>>> >>
>>> >> Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too
>>> >> long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those
>>> >> for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
>>> >>
>>> >> As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a
>>> >> specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list
>>> >> administrators. Is this correct?
>>> >>
>>> >> And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking
>>> >> about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if
>>> >> they're not written down, correct?
>>> >>
>>> >> I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly
>>> >> reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting
>>> >> back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I
>>> >> have to agree with Alan Brooker:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets
>>> >>> get
>>> >>> some good will together.
>>> >>
>>> >> Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I
>>> >> probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly
>>> >> supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths,
>>> >> isn't it?
>>> >>
>>> >> cheers
>>> >> dafydd
>>> >>
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