[PD] finding objects ?

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Jonathan, I will be willing to help with introducing indexing option into the search plugin. I think it is essential to making this a useful addition to pd-l2ork. As it is right now, it requires too much time, particularly on low power devices (e.g. netbooks). I'll also gladly add a flag (if you like) inside pd-l2ork to force re-indexing (or maybe it should simply reindex at each startup). If anyone else wishes to contribute, let me know...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pd-list-bounces at iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces at iem.at] On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Wilkes
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 11:08 PM
> To: Фывапр Олджэвич; João Pais
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig
> Subject: Re: [PD] finding objects ?
> 
> Hello serg,
>      I made an attempt to build a search engine awhile back:
> http://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/searchandbrowseplugin/view?sear
> chterm=search%20plugin
> 
> 
> This plugin is designed to be exactly what you are looking for-- I know
> because I had the same problems when starting out with Pd and read
> similarly dreadful responses.
> 
> 
> It is a GUI plugin.  Use the links Iohannes provided to install it.
> 
> The plugin is designed to work with Pd-extended.  (I also back-ported a
> version to use with Pd-l2ork but it isn't included there yet.)  It searches for
> help patches in all the default sys and lib
> 
> paths, plus any extra ones you specify in the path dialog (though this dialog
> may have been removed in a recent version-- I don't remember).
> 
> Full text search works with all help patches.  Searching by using the keywords
> listed toward the bottom of the main search page will only return results for
> help patches that have keyword metadata (i.e., help patches which I've
> revised to be searchable, which is maybe half of everything in Pd-extended).
> 
> For me full text searches tend to take a few seconds on my GNU/Linux
> machine and much longer on OSX.  (In Windows the first search takes forever
> but subsequent searches are somewhat faster.)  I think improving the speed
> would require building an index and would be a lot more work.
> 
> 
> You won't get results for classes that don't have help patches, but then if the
> developer was too lazy to document what the object does then I'm sure they
> used all the time saved to make the object work flawlessly... :)
> 
> Speaking of dev laziness-- there are many objects which have nearly empty
> help patches.  If you run into this, be sure to try clicking the little "info" icon
> next to the search result.  It will bring up the README.txt file for the
> corresponding library which often will give you a few more clues about the
> object in question.  You can also click the folder icon to open an external file
> browser to see the full contents of an external library (like the
> 
> binaries and and other non-doc files).
> 
> 
> Let me know if there are any keyword categories that would be useful to add
> to the main search page.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> >________________________________
> > From: Фывапр Олджэвич <tofuckof at inbox.ru>
> >To: João Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>
> >Cc: pd-list at iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> >Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 6:16 AM
> >Subject: Re: [PD] finding objects ?
> >
> >
> >Thankyou for your list !
> >
> >
> >\\ I know, although it's never actual.
> >
> >- Why ? I mean that if I don't know all the objects by memory, and I need
> some function to be done - I need easy search by categorys and so on - with
> descriptions...  it is much easear, than asking List every time... and also helps
> to learn other objects faster.
> >
> >\\Also the object completion plugin helps to find
> >objects (pd-ext 0.43).
> >
> >- what is it ? is it complemented with Extended 0.43 ? or should it be loaded
> apart ? and does it work for Windows ?
> >
> >
> >cheers !
> >
> >serg
> >
> >
> >
> >Mon, 03 Sep 2012 11:24:09 +0200 от João Pais
> <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> On 2012-09-03 00:19, ?????? ???????? wrote:
> >>>> Dear list !
> >>>>
> >>>> Where can I find the most complete PD-objects and commands
> >>>> reference, please ?
> >>>
> >>> right click on the object.
> >>> select help.
> >>
> >>for pd-vanilla, right-click anywhere in an empty space, and select help.
> >>for pd-extended, there isn't one. my list (attached) is the most complete
> >>I know, although it's never actual. the pd-floss website also has a list,
> >>but only with part of the objects in this document.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> And why it is not on the main site - puredata.info ?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> because with help-patches that yre on your computer you do not have
> to
> >>> be online and you can copy&paste interesting stuff.
> >>
> >>or rather more because development of pd-extended externals is a bit
> >>chaotic, some developers don't do proper documentation, there isn't a
> >>system to control the quality (or existence) of documentation, etc...
> >>
> >>Jonathan Wilkes has done lots of work with pddp to update the
> >>documentation. Pd-Ext 0.43 has much more ressources, including better
> help
> >>patches for pd-vanilla. Also the object completion plugin helps to find
> >>objects (pd-ext 0.43).
> >>
> >>
> >>João
> >>
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