[PD] finding objects ?
Jonathan Wilkes
jancsika at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 4 18:07:57 CEST 2012
----- Original Message -----
> From: Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu>
> To: 'Jonathan Wilkes' <jancsika at yahoo.com>; 'Фывапр Олджэвич' <tofuckof at inbox.ru>; 'João Pais' <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at; 'IOhannes m zmoelnig' <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:35 AM
> Subject: RE: [PD] finding objects ?
>
> Jonathan, I will be willing to help with introducing indexing option into the
> search plugin. I think it is essential to making this a useful addition to
> pd-l2ork. As it is right now, it requires too much time, particularly on low
> power devices (e.g. netbooks). I'll also gladly add a flag (if you like)
> inside pd-l2ork to force re-indexing (or maybe it should simply reindex at each
> startup). If anyone else wishes to contribute, let me know...
That sounds good. Hans suggested looking at Xapian, which says it has bindings
for Tcl. Might be easier than doing indexing in Tcl.
To be user friendly I think there needs to be a "first use" message in the main page
of the search that directs the user to click a link to do the initial index. (If you do
it automatically you force the netbook user to wait a long time-- same problem for
doing it at startup.) Once the index exists I can then just have the link available
without the message and people can reindex as they see fit.
The other possibility is that the plugin will display the message to reindex every time
the docs change, but that would only work if the time it takes to check is much smaller
than the time it takes to index.
Is there a way to quickly get a hash of all the doc files?
-Jonathan
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pd-list-bounces at iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces at iem.at] On Behalf Of
>> Jonathan Wilkes
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 11:08 PM
>> To: Фывапр Олджэвич; João Pais
>> Cc: pd-list at iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig
>> Subject: Re: [PD] finding objects ?
>>
>> Hello serg,
>> I made an attempt to build a search engine awhile back:
>> http://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/searchandbrowseplugin/view?sear
>> chterm=search%20plugin
>>
>>
>> This plugin is designed to be exactly what you are looking for-- I know
>> because I had the same problems when starting out with Pd and read
>> similarly dreadful responses.
>>
>>
>> It is a GUI plugin. Use the links Iohannes provided to install it.
>>
>> The plugin is designed to work with Pd-extended. (I also back-ported a
>> version to use with Pd-l2ork but it isn't included there yet.) It
> searches for
>> help patches in all the default sys and lib
>>
>> paths, plus any extra ones you specify in the path dialog (though this
> dialog
>> may have been removed in a recent version-- I don't remember).
>>
>> Full text search works with all help patches. Searching by using the
> keywords
>> listed toward the bottom of the main search page will only return results
> for
>> help patches that have keyword metadata (i.e., help patches which I've
>> revised to be searchable, which is maybe half of everything in
> Pd-extended).
>>
>> For me full text searches tend to take a few seconds on my GNU/Linux
>> machine and much longer on OSX. (In Windows the first search takes forever
>> but subsequent searches are somewhat faster.) I think improving the speed
>> would require building an index and would be a lot more work.
>>
>>
>> You won't get results for classes that don't have help patches, but
> then if the
>> developer was too lazy to document what the object does then I'm sure
> they
>> used all the time saved to make the object work flawlessly... :)
>>
>> Speaking of dev laziness-- there are many objects which have nearly empty
>> help patches. If you run into this, be sure to try clicking the little
> "info" icon
>> next to the search result. It will bring up the README.txt file for the
>> corresponding library which often will give you a few more clues about the
>> object in question. You can also click the folder icon to open an external
> file
>> browser to see the full contents of an external library (like the
>>
>> binaries and and other non-doc files).
>>
>>
>> Let me know if there are any keyword categories that would be useful to add
>> to the main search page.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: Фывапр Олджэвич <tofuckof at inbox.ru>
>> >To: João Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>
>> >Cc: pd-list at iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
>> >Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 6:16 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [PD] finding objects ?
>> >
>> >
>> >Thankyou for your list !
>> >
>> >
>> >\\ I know, although it's never actual.
>> >
>> >- Why ? I mean that if I don't know all the objects by memory, and
> I need
>> some function to be done - I need easy search by categorys and so on - with
>> descriptions... it is much easear, than asking List every time... and also
> helps
>> to learn other objects faster.
>> >
>> >\\Also the object completion plugin helps to find
>> >objects (pd-ext 0.43).
>> >
>> >- what is it ? is it complemented with Extended 0.43 ? or should it be
> loaded
>> apart ? and does it work for Windows ?
>> >
>> >
>> >cheers !
>> >
>> >serg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mon, 03 Sep 2012 11:24:09 +0200 от João Pais
>> <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> On 2012-09-03 00:19, ?????? ???????? wrote:
>> >>>> Dear list !
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Where can I find the most complete PD-objects and commands
>> >>>> reference, please ?
>> >>>
>> >>> right click on the object.
>> >>> select help.
>> >>
>> >>for pd-vanilla, right-click anywhere in an empty space, and select
> help.
>> >>for pd-extended, there isn't one. my list (attached) is the
> most complete
>> >>I know, although it's never actual. the pd-floss website also
> has a list,
>> >>but only with part of the objects in this document.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> And why it is not on the main site - puredata.info ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> because with help-patches that yre on your computer you do not
> have
>> to
>> >>> be online and you can copy&paste interesting stuff.
>> >>
>> >>or rather more because development of pd-extended externals is a
> bit
>> >>chaotic, some developers don't do proper documentation, there
> isn't a
>> >>system to control the quality (or existence) of documentation,
> etc...
>> >>
>> >>Jonathan Wilkes has done lots of work with pddp to update the
>> >>documentation. Pd-Ext 0.43 has much more ressources, including
> better
>> help
>> >>patches for pd-vanilla. Also the object completion plugin helps to
> find
>> >>objects (pd-ext 0.43).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>João
>> >>
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