[PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!

[Jonathan Wilkes]

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> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: "pd-list at iem.at" <pd-list at iem.at> 
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:03 PM
>Subject: arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back!
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>If someone wants to write patches that work on vanilla anywhere,
    then there is a point.

_Everybody_ wants to write patches that work on vanilla everywhere.

When we can't we try to figure out a course of action, but when we
can (without employing wild hacks) we should.


> If people are already using Pd-extended or
    Debian then I honestly don't see the point, arraysize is already
    there, like many other externals.

It's like you wrote above.  People _do_ want patches to be as cross-platform
as possible. (Not if.)


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>For me, apt-get install pd-arraysize is far easier than trying to
    remember that [expr] trick.  And thankfully we can write externals,
    so we can have choice. :-)

If it were a wild hack I'd agree, but it's not.  It is a standard operator for
[expr] that's been there for ages and is clearly documented.

And who is this mythical user that looks to the Debian repositories
to figure out how to do something in a programming language?
(Hm, I'm not getting audio output, let's open up Synaptic and search
20,000 mostly non-related packages for a solution...)

-Jonathan


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>.hc
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>On 09/27/2012 03:00 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>> That feature comes at the expense of compatibility, which
>> normally wouldn't be an issue _except_ that Pd
>> Vanilla already has the same functionality. So let's
      encourage
>> use of the more compatible way using [expr], which is
>> clearly documented and supports the _exact_ same features
>> as arraysize.
>>
>> -Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>>> To: pd-list at iem.at 
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] apt.puredata.info is
      back!
>>>
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>>
>> IMHO, arraysize is very useful because it has a memorable
      name. "I
>> > need to find the size of an array... oh, [arraysize]".
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On 09/27/2012 02:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>> >>> Please change the description for the package
>> >>> "pd-arraysize"
>> >>>
>> >>> "This object is deprecated. Use [expr
      size("array-name")]
>> >>> which works out of the box for Pd Extended, Pd
      Vanilla,
>> >>> and Pd-l2ork."
>> >>>
>> >>> -Jonathan
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
>> >>>> To: pd-announce at iem.at
>> >>>> Cc:
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:13 AM
>> >>>> Subject: [PD] [PD-announce]
      apt.puredata.info is back!
>> >>>>
>> >>> last night hans and me finally setup a
      replacement machine
>> > for
>> >>> apt.puredata.info[1], the ultimate source for
      Pd-extended on
>> >>> Debian-based systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Li
>> >>> fgmasdfnux/Mint,...)[2].
>> >>>
>> >>> it is now hosted on the puredata.info
      portal/mailinglist
>> > server,
>> >>> courtesy of iem.
>> >>>
>> >>> fgmasdf
>> >>> IOhannes
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> [1] http://apt.puredata.info/
>> >>> [2] http://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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