[PD] GUI overload

Sat Jan 5 05:18:32 CET 2013

So now a question for me is - should I change || to + in the 0.44
release?  My first impulse is to hold off since I can't be sure it
won't affect scheduling in some other unknown way - after al if it makes
one thing happen faster it presumably makes something else happen
slower.

I'm hoping to make 0.44 official this weekend :)

M

On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 01:07:44AM +0000, Ed Kelly wrote:
> Oooh, aargh, exactly the same!
> 
> San Diego (Houston) we have a problem...Miller's sys_pollgui() fix is the only one I found that works, and perhaps we don't know why it works, but it works for me. Bear in mind I have 32x64+256=2304 GUI objects to update when the pattern changes on my sequencer, but I'm not entirely convinced that is the whole problem. The version I sent you (with all those GUI updates) worked fine it turned out, but the version I made of the sequencer to try to counteract this (with no GUI updates) - the performance patch with that still had the problem.
> 
> Since I now have both Pd versions - hacked vanilla and extended - is there any test I can carry out to determine what the issue might be?
> 
> Ed
>  
> Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics!
> http://sharktracks.co.uk/
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> > To: Ed Kelly <morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: "pd-list at iem.at" <pd-list at iem.at>
> > Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 0:08
> > Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload
> > 
> > 
> > Have you tried using the Pd-extended PPA, there is a Lucid package there:
> > 
> > https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/pd-extended
> > 
> > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:eighthave/pd-extended
> > 
> > .hc
> > 
> > On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Ed Kelly wrote:
> > 
> >>  Hey Hans...
> >> 
> >>  I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later Ubuntu 
> > versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I compiled the 
> > source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in linux_make/, 
> > then I tried "sudo make install" from packages directory.
> >> 
> >>  install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \
> >> 
> > /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp
> >>  test -z "" || (\
> >>  install -p -m 644  
> > /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp 
> > && \
> >>  )
> >>  /bin/sh: Syntax error: ")" unexpected
> >>  make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2
> >> 
> >>  ?
> >>  Ed
> >>   
> >> 
> >>  Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics!
> >>  http://sharktracks.co.uk/
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> >>>  To: pd-list at iem.at
> >>>  Cc: 
> >>>  Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22
> >>>  Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>  Hey Ed,
> >>> 
> >>>  I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] that make 
> > them only
> >>>  send the GUI updates when something actually has changed.  This can 
> > greatly
> >>>  reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI.
> >>> 
> >>>  Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of Pd-extended and see 
> > if you
> >>>  still get freezes?
> >>>  http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/
> >>> 
> >>>  .hc
> >>> 
> >>>  On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote:
> >>>>  Hi List,
> >>>> 
> >>>>  I'm not going to say whether this is a "recurrent" 
> > problem as 
> >>>  it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has affected it...
> >>>> 
> >>>>  I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or non-GOP 
> > GUIs, and I 
> >>>  find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where the GUI 
> > objects 
> >>>  stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am wondering if there 
> > is a 
> >>>  specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think Pd is 
> > making some 
> >>>  kind of decision that "there's too much of this stuff - 
> > I'm gonna 
> >>>  prioritize the audio and not worry about it" and I'd like to 
> > know how 
> >>>  or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, or by 
> > setting flags 
> >>>  on the command line.
> >>>> 
> >>>>  I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for performance 
> > time, since 
> >>>  the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which I will 
> > not want to 
> >>>  program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give you an 
> > idea. The 
> >>>  really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially quadtracker 
> > (which I 
> >>>  think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can go now).
> >>>> 
> >>>>  System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), Pd-0.43-4, 
> > lots of 
> >>>  externals compiled and loaded.
> >>>> 
> >>>>  Warm wishes,
> >>>>  Ed
> >>>> 
> >>>>  Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics!
> >>>>  http://sharktracks.co.uk/
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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