[PD] translate the Start Here! page

[João Pais]

for whom it interests, I was the one putting that list up - a short  
version of my own xls file made through copy-pasting - and I always agreed  
that the fixed format was the worse way to nail the "moving target". but I  
have no knowledge to do it better, so it had to be done that way, and  
apparently many people did used it (even though it was never complete).
if possible, I can help in any way of improving this reference, including  
taking it down. the only thing I won't do is more copy-pasting, because it  
is really irrelevant. but as I don't have any batching knowledge, the best  
I can do is to check for libraries missing meta data (including mine),  
etc. Or do portuguese desserts for whoever wants to work  
(http://tinyurl.com/blyqgsc).

for the categorization of the pd objects, I would suggest something else:  
to expand the list of categories, either with more categories, or with  
subcategories. the list from vanilla is very general, even for the vanilla  
objects. To have few categories with too many objects in them isn't really  
a big help in sorting out the objects. But that would be the discussion of  
a new thread.


> On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>> From: Ed Kelly <morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>; Hans-Christoph Steiner  
>>> <hans at at.or.at>
>>> Cc: Pd List <pd-list at iem.at>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
>>>
>>> OK, no need to fight. This is about a version of Pd-extended that has  
>>> been a
>>> very long time coming, that had many issues to resolve, that went  
>>> offline and
>>> was unavailable at the start of the workshops I teach. I also can't  
>>> get my
>>> students to download a version of Pd-extended that isn't finished and
>>> won't run on their machine. This is their first experience of  
>>> programming.
>>> They'll give up straight away!
>>
>> Of course.  I'm just giving you a beginner's perspective;  it's my own
>> memory of that perspective that drives me to work on tools which are  
>> currently
>> only marginally useful to me personally.  The supermajority of  
>> discontent
>> among your students tells me that this perspective hasn't changed much.
>> By far, that is currently the fault of the software-- the documentation  
>> is
>> currently too slim and core pd building blocks (and interface) too crude
>> for the question "how do I find more objects" to be anything like an  
>> ancillary
>> question.
>>
>> A static out-of-date list is better than nothing, but as far as  
>> potential dev
>> energy I'd really rather see that put into core docs like the ones  
>> listed
>> on the bug tracker, which are extremely lacking.  That FLOSS list will  
>> hopefully
>> become obsolete, but the help docs won't-- even if they're dropped from
>> Pd-extended they're still publicly available.
>>
>> -Jonathan
>
> While I have agreed and disagreed with various points in this  
> discussion, I think Jonathan's two paragraphs above sum up my feelings  
> on this topic too.  Jonathan has put together a really great system for  
> help from the meta data to the search plugin, now we need to put actual  
> content and meta data in our help patches and it'll all be findable in a  
> multitude of ways.  All this could even be used to generate the static  
> listing in the FLOSS manuals: just take the object name, then get the  
> library and description from the [pd META].
>
> .hc
>
>
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