[PD] 1-inlet [list] : bug? WAS: enhance pd-extended with pd-l2ork featues ?

[batinste]

Weirder and weirder. Pd-ext still cannot load 1.list.pd_linux. I get

error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup 
library'!

but :

~$ ls /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/ | grep list
1.list.pd_linux


So i deinstalled the last auto-build of Pd-extended for ubuntu 12.10 x64 :

~$ sudo dpkg --purge pd-extended
(Lecture de la base de données... 303007 fichiers et répertoires déjà 
installés.)
Suppression de pd-extended ...
Purge des fichiers de configuration de pd-extended ...
dpkg : avertissement : while removing pd-extended, directory 
'/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra' not empty so not removed
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour 
« hicolor-icon-theme »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « bamfdaemon »...
Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour 
« desktop-file-utils »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « gnome-menus »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « man-db »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « menu »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « shared-mime-info »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ureadahead »...

in the extra directory are ANN library and the missing earplug_data.txt. 
It shouldn't interfere with the rest.

Then i removed preferences backups i did in my /home/me : .pdextended, 
.pdextended~, .pdextended.thisoneactuallyworks, etc :)

Then, downloaded Pd-0.43.4-extended-ubuntu-quantal-amd64.deb from 
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ and

~$ sudo dpkg -i Desktop/Pd-0.43.4-extended-ubuntu-quantal-amd64.deb
Sélection du paquet pd-extended précédemment désélectionné.
(Lecture de la base de données... 295934 fichiers et répertoires déjà 
installés.)
Dépaquetage de pd-extended (à partir de 
.../Pd-0.43.4-extended-ubuntu-quantal-amd64.deb) ...
Paramétrage de pd-extended (0.43.4-extended) ...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ureadahead »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « shared-mime-info »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « menu »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « man-db »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « bamfdaemon »...
Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour 
« desktop-file-utils »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « gnome-menus »...
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour 
« hicolor-icon-theme »...

and finally
:~$ pd-extended -stderr -verbose
input channels = 0, output channels = 0
Pd-0.43.4 ("extended") compiled 09:20:08 Jan 20 2013
port 5400
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd-extended/lib/tcl/library" 
TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd-extended/lib/tk/library"   wish8.5 
"/usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 5400
priority 6 scheduling enabled.
Waiting for connection request...
priority 8 scheduling enabled.
/usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd-watchdog
... connected
opened 0 MIDI input device(s) and 0 MIDI output device(s).
input channels = 0, output channels = 0
Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading 
configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
verbose(5): Using /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup as startup.
verbose(4): Loading /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/0.libdir.pd_linux
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/libdir/libdir.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/libdir/libdir.pd_linux and succeeded
verbose(3): libdir loader 1.9
verbose(3):     compiled on Jan 20 2013 at 09:23:51
verbose(3):     compiled against Pd version 0.43.4.extended
verbose(4): Loading /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/1.list.pd_linux
tried ./`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./`Lp.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
tried ./`Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./`Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
tried -meta.pd and failed
error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup 
library'!

verbose(4): Loading extra in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/extra
tried ./extra.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/extra.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/extra.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./extra.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/extra.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/extra.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
tried ./extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
tried ./extra/extra-meta.pd and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/extra/extra-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/extra/extra-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/extra-meta.pd and succeeded
verbose(3): libdir_loader: added 'extra' to the global objectclass path
verbose(14): Loaded libdir 'extra' from '/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra'
verbose(4): Loading pdlua in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/pdlua
tried ./pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried ./pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and succeeded
watchdog: signaling pd...
verbose(3): pdlua 0.7.1 (GPL) 2012 Martin Peach, based on
verbose(3): lua 0.6~svn (GPL) 2008 Claude Heiland-Allen 
<claudiusmaximus at goto10.org>
verbose(3): pdlua: compiled for pd-0.43 on Jan 20 2013 09:23:51
verbose(4): Loading tclpd in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/tclpd
tried ./tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried ./tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and succeeded
verbose(3): tclpd loader v0.3.0
verbose(3): tclpd: trying to load 
/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tclpd/tclpd.tcl...
verbose(3): tclpd: loaded /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tclpd/tclpd.tcl
verbose(4): Loading vanilla in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/vanilla
tried ./vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried ./vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
tried ./vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
tried ./vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and succeeded
verbose(3): libdir_loader: added 'vanilla' to the global objectclass path
verbose(14): Loaded libdir 'vanilla' from 
'/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/vanilla'

If i try to open a new patch and create and [list], it has only one inlet.

then i restart pd-ext, and If i try to open a new patch and [import 
list], i get

tried /home/batinste/list.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/list.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/vanilla/list.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/list.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/list.l_ia64 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/list.l_ia64 and failed
tried /home/batinste/list.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/extra/list.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/vanilla/list.pd_linux and succeeded
verbose(3): [import] loaded library: 'list'

Then i try to create a [list], it has 2 inlets.

my .pdextended :

audioapi: 2
noaudioin: True
noaudioout: True
audiobuf: 50
rate: 44100
callback: 0
blocksize: 64
nomidiin: True
nomidiout: True
npath: 0
standardpath: 1
verbose: 1
nloadlib: 0
defeatrt: 0
flags:


my /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.pdextended :

audioapi: 1
standardpath: 1
verbose: 0
defeatrt: 0
flags:
loadlib1: Gem
loadlib2: cyclone
loadlib3: zexy
loadlib4: creb
loadlib5: cxc
loadlib6: iemlib
loadlib7: list-abs
loadlib8: mapping
loadlib9: markex
loadlib10: maxlib
loadlib11: mjlib
loadlib12: motex
loadlib13: oscx
loadlib14: pddp
loadlib15: pdogg
loadlib16: pmpd
loadlib17: sigpack
loadlib18: smlib
loadlib19: unauthorized
loadlib20: pan
loadlib21: hcs
loadlib22: jmmmp
loadlib23: ext13
loadlib24: ggee
loadlib25: iem_anything
loadlib26: ekext
loadlib27: flatgui
loadlib28: chaos
loadlib29: pdp
nloadlib: 29
path1: /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType
npath: 1


if it's a bug, i'll happily file it.

On 21/01/2013 02:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2013, at 5:52 PM, batinste wrote:
>
>> On 20/01/2013 21:02, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> On 01/20/2013 06:36 AM, batinste wrote:
>>>> I was intrigued by this [$@< bug (mainly because i didn't knew about this $@
>>>> thingy), so i decided to give it a try. Attached is my test patch. It crashes
>>>> on my ubuntu 12.10 64bits, Pd-l2ork version 20130111 compiled 13:18:07 Jan 11
>>>> 2013, way before reaching 1000 args. I launch it in my terminal with :
>>>>
>>>> ~$ pd-l2ork test-dollar-at.pd
>>>>
>>>> All i have to do is continuously move my mouse over the patch while it's
>>>> running, and it will crash around 100 args. You can also try to play with the
>>>> vslider, it will crash. OR (curiously), it won't crash when moving the mouse,
>>>> but going in and out of edit mode or saving will make it crash...
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, look at the patch cord going out of the vslider : it looks
>>>> weird to me, like attached a few pixels under the vslider, not directly
>>>> connected to it.
>>> That's worth a bug report!  It worked for me: I left it alone for a while and
>>> it went to 24817, then once I clicked in the patch, it crashed instantly.
>>> Batinste, could you file a bug report and include your patch?
>>>
>> ok !
>>>> Ok now, the fun part :
>>>> When i open this patch with pd-extended (Pd-0.43.4 ("extended-20130118")
>>>> compiled 09:30:52 Jan 18 2013), [list] only has one inlet (it should have 2,
>>>> given that it's supposed to behave like [list append]) and when i want to see
>>>> [list]'s help file, pd-ext opens bang's help file... When i open the same
>>>> patch with pd-l2ork, the lists do have 2 inlets. Oh, and pd-extended happened
>>>> to display lists with their 2 inlets, but i can't reproduce this reliably. I
>>>> tried to open the patch with -noprefs (to ensure that i didn't have a
>>>> forgotten [list] abstraction somewhere) same issue.
>>>>
>>>> Am i cursed or something ?
>>> I've never seen the [list] with the single inlet bug.  Can you send me a patch
>>> to reproduce it?  I think that would happen if you run 'pd-extended
>>> -nostartup' which will prevent the list lib from being automatically loaded at
>>> startup.
>>>
>>> -noprefs won't disable loading from ~/pd-externals or
>>> /usr/local/lib/pd-externals since that's hard coded in Pd.
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>> oops my bad, i did not see this : error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup library'!
>> It was with the patch i attached earlier.
>
> Where you able to fix that error? That file is definitely included in the packages that I've tried.
>
> .hc
>
>
>
>
>>>> On 20/01/2013 07:35, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu>
>>>>>> To: 'Jonathan Wilkes' <jancsika at yahoo.com>; 'Hans-Christoph Steiner'
>>>>>> <hans at at.or.at>
>>>>>> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [PD] enhance pd-extended with pd-l2ork featues ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    > Why not simply use pd-l2ork?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I do, but possible reasons why someone might not use Pd-l2ork:
>>>>>>>    * no binary for windows
>>>>>>>    * no binary for OSX
>>>>>> On the flip-side pd-l2ork provides a solid, bug-free environment on Linux
>>>>>> and looks a lot more contemporary than the aged default tk iteration. In
>>>>>> other words, it is a targeted Linux distribution of pd (something that can
>>>>>> be easily lost in a cross-platform effort with inadequate developer support,
>>>>>> as I am sure Hans can attest to). At this point I would go as far as
>>>>>> challenge you to find something that does not work or exhibits a buggy
>>>>>> behavior
>>>>> $@ in msg box probably still crashes when incoming args > 1000 (same with
>>>>> pd-extended)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>>
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