[PD] Apply missing

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at at.or.at
Sun Feb 3 05:27:52 CET 2013


On 02/02/2013 09:18 PM, Ivica Bukvic wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2013 8:38 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>>
>> On 02/02/2013 02:06 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
>>>> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>>>> Cc: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>; PD list <pd-list at iem.at>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:32 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] Apply missing
>>>>
>>>> Am 27.01.2012 um 17:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>:
>>>>>  On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
>>>>>>>  Am 27.01.2012 um 02:50 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 22:51 +0100, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  i noticed that in the current autobuilds of Pd-extended the
>>>> property
>>>>>>>  dialogs for the gui-objects are missing the Apply-Button. Is that a
>>>> bug or a
>>>>>>>  feature?
>>>>>>>>>  IMHO this is a bug - if you want to adjust for instance a
>>>> canvas to be
>>>>>>>  the same size as another object of unknown size you can do that
>>>> with a few
>>>>>>>  clicks and the help of the Apply button. If you have to click OK
>>>> and then go to
>>>>>>>  context menu->Properties, set the size, OK repeately to do that
>>>> it's
>>>>>>>  simply annoying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  That seems like a good enough reason, I brought back the Apply
>>>> button to
>>>>>>>>  the iemgui Properties panel on Mac OS X.  It was originally
>>>> moved since
>>>>>>>>  the whole "OK, Apply, Cancel" is very Windows-like,
>>>> but there
>>>>>>>  isn't an
>>>>>>>>  easy way to make to work better, so the Apply button is back.
>>>> IMHO,
>>>>>>>>  when you change the setting, it should take effect immediately.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  great. i agree that ideally i'd like to be able to see that
>>>> change happen
>>>>>>>  immediately. even better: when grabbing the bottom-right corner
>>>> i'd have an
>>>>>>>  anchor to scale the object (see Max/MSP for that)…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Also see: pd-l2ork
>>>>>
>>>>>  I think you are referring to Ico trying to make the iemguis
> resizable live
>>>> with a handle.  I should finally get to releasing something useful
> form the
>>>> tkwidgets lib, since that also includes resizing with a handle.
>>>>
>>>> I just had another Idea how to solve this: Two buttons: Cancel and OK
> when you
>>>> change some properties in the Dialog the OK Button becomes labeled
> Apply. If
>>>> clicked on Apply, the new properties are applied and the Button
> becomes labeled
>>>> OK. If you click OK the Dialog is closed.
>>>> That way a double click on Apply will apply and close the dialog.
>>>
>>> That would double the number of clicks for users who never want to use
>>> Apply.
>>
>> I think that we should avoid patch fixes and do the right thing.  I think
> we
>> should follow the example of Pd itself, but then also GNOME and Mac OS X
>> preferences: changes should take effect immediately without having to hit
>> apply or OK.  Then there should be unlimited undo for returning to
> previous
>> states.  The first part o that is not hard, the second part is.  But since
>> unlimited undo is working in some parts of pd-l2ork, we at least have a
>> working example to draw from.
> 
> What do you mean by "in some parts?" Can you give an example of where it
> does not work?

Setting a value in the properties of a slider.

.hc



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