[PD] Reverse Kickstarter Update

Jonathan Wilkes jancsika at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 31 17:46:54 CEST 2013

On 07/31/2013 11:22 AM, Jamie Bullock wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2013, at 16:11, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com 
> <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-request at iem.at 
>> <mailto:pd-list-request at iem.at> wrote:
>>>>> At the very least, I think "Connect" is a bit confusing. It 
>>>>> implies that there can be an unconnected state when the main 
>>>>> purpose of the dialog is managing which things are connected. 
>>>>> Maybe "Apply Settings", "Update Connection Settings", or even 
>>>>> "Update", etc is better.
>>>> Ok.  I think "Update" or "Update Connection Settings" is probably best.
>>> When would a user want to change a setting but not "apply"? Surely 
>>> you want the actual settings in the backend to always reflect the 
>>> current state of the preferences dialog and vice versa.
>>> best,
>>> Jamie
>> I think you misunderstand me. Of course the changes should be 
>> applied, I'm just saying I thought the "Connect" button label was a 
>> little confusing. "Apply" would work as well in this case, but I 
>> think something like "Update Connection Settings" etc is more 
>> verbose, but also more clear.
>> What I meant by not having an apply button a few posts ago, was that 
>> in most Mac apps you don't have a 2 step process to change settings 
>> aka change then apply. When you change a setting that's it, it's both 
>> changed and updated at the same time. I do agree with Jonathan that, 
>> in this case, it makes sense to have a 2 step process. I was mainly 
>> pointing out I thought the labeling could be more clear.
> Actually, I don't think I expressed myself very well as I was arguing 
> the opposite. I think the settings should take effect immediately and 
> there shouldn't be an "apply" or "connect" or anything button --- you 
> just change a setting and that's it --- done!
> Hence my question about when you would want to "not apply" the settings.
> I can't find any other application on my Mac that has an "apply" 
> button in the audio prefs dialog, and FWIW, in Integra Live we managed 
> to create an audio prefs without an apply step, based on Pd using 
> IOhannes' [mediasettings] externals, so it's definitely possible.

My question: are all current (and imaginable future) audio APIs able to 
handle quick changes to the setttings?  Say, if a user toggles "Use 
Callbacks" three times within 500ms and Pd tries to connect to ALSA each 
time, does ALSA handle that gracefully?  (Or whatever backend-- I can't 
remember if ALSA has that option available atm.)


> best,
> Jamie
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