[PD] [PD-announce] Chocolate et Coffee

i go bananas hard.off at gmail.com
Mon Jan 13 12:18:59 CET 2014

i very much doubt miller will include stuff in vanilla that's not backwards
compatible.  seeing as how these objects don't even work with my
(relatively) recent 0.42.5 version, i can't see how they'd pass.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Pierre Guillot <guillotpierre6 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
> I may have been sensitive, I needed 2 days break, sorry. If we focus on
> the important facts, I received really constructive feedbacks and I've been
> able to improve the library for the next release.
> Joao suggestions :
> - The properties window will have a fixed size.
> - We can set (in the code) if we want a color picker, checkbox, menu or
> textfield for each property.
> - The id name becomes receive symbol and there's also an send symbol.
> IOhannes suggestions :
> - The c/tcl library is now named CicmWrapper (The repository name will
> change with the next release)
> - If it seems better to change the libray name, Chocolate can become
> CicmGUI ?
> About the right click during runmode, It's possible to change it but I
> don't really like it. Do you think that's really important ?
> To include in Pd-ext, it's possible to only include Chocolate, I just have
> to replace all the c.prepend and c.loadmess with prepend and init. I
> received mails and some users like c.patcherargs and the double click of
> the coffee objects but they can download and add the library manually.
> To include in Vanilla, you're right, the best is to ask to Miller.
> If we want to "replace" the vanilla GUIs, two suggestions for the moment :
>  - We keep the the vanilla GUIs and we just replace the shortcut, we won't
> have any problem to load previous patchs and users will use the new GUI for
> their new patchs (Secure and easy to do, we can also have an option to
> replace or not the vanilla shortcuts).
> - We overwrite the vanilla classes then every objects will replaced but
> the users will lose the properties (size, font, color, etc...).
> Another idea is to add a menu option or to offer 2 libraries with one that
> overwrite classes.
> Cheers
> 2014/1/10 Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>>  On 01/10/2014 12:50 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> I don't have any plans, I was only responding in a hypothetical manner.
>> I'm busy on a show right now and can't do pd dev. A better person to ask is
>> Miller ...
>> I must have misunderstood-- the way you wrote that made it sound like
>> there is a process by which the community gets things included into Pd
>> Vanilla.  If such a process existed wouldn't one of the "dupes" IOhannes
>> cites already be included in Pd Vanilla after over a decade now?
>> Instead, I think Pierre has taken the only sensible approach to making a
>> library that works with both Pd-Vanilla and Pd-extended.  You simply code
>> up the stuff that's been missing forever-- some of it probably in less time
>> than it takes to respond to questions about "dupes".  Then you ship the
>> library, and it "just works" without users having to find other libraries.
>> -Jonathan
>>  On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> What is your plan for getting the necessary features into Vanilla so that
>> such dupes are no longer necessary to include in a library like this?
>>   --------
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika
>> danomatika.com
>> robotcowboy.com
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