[PD] Pd as sound editor (issue with "scrolling" a table) ??

[i go bananas]

just for interest perhaps, here's the sound editor i made years ago:

http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1295-sound-editor

and probably even more interesting, here is maelstorm's wave display
abstraction:

http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-5890-waveform-display



basically, what maelstorm discovered was that using [until] with a counter
was not nearly fast enough to do the calculations needed for a decent
zoom/scroll function, and we looked into it, and there just didn't seem to
be a vanilla workaround.  So he uses iem_tab objects to do the table
calculations.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  On 03/03/2014 01:32 PM, Pierre Massat wrote:
>
>  I've looked seriously at data structures for the first time, and saw
> what Chris McCormick did with them, and I believe this is the way to go !
>
>
> But you can't get notifications for mouseover or right-click events.  You
> also cannot get transparency or control the z-order among multiple
> scalars.  Nor scale or zoom without creating another complex and slow
> wrapper on top of data structures.
>
> Don't get me wrong-- you can do interesting things with scalars, and you
> can build a wave-editor that looks quite advanced compared to what a GUI in
> Pd typically looks like.  But you cannot get anything that looks remotely
> like a modern or even decade-old commercial wave-editor.
>
> So I'd rather the documentation didn't send people searching around the
> corners of the software for features that don't exist.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>
>  Cheers,
>
> Pierre.
>
>
> 2014-03-03 8:44 GMT+01:00 Billy Stiltner <billy.stiltner at gmail.com>:
>
>>  seems like there was something about the way i made the wave editor
>> that worked,i  never tried overflowing the the things and my method is a
>> hack of the pd file @xensynth and the lfo editor, otherwise holler at Mike
>> Booth ala mmb.
>>
>>
>> https://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22billy.stiltner%40gmail.com%22&sort=-publicdate
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Pierre Massat <pimassat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   Hi Jonathan,
>>>
>>>  I found it following this path : help for [tabwrite] --> More_Info -->
>>> all_about_arrays --> Common uses for arrays in Pd
>>>  Bummer, I thought somebody would come up with a secret table
>>> manipulation technique that would make this statement true...
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>> Pierre.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-02 19:33 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>>    From that help patch:
>>>> #X text 12 115 HELP_PATCH_AUTHORS Updated for Pd 0.38-2. Jonathan Wilkes
>>>> revised the patch to conform to the PDDP template for Pd version 0.42.
>>>>
>>>> I did the refactoring of that patch, but I'm not sure who wrote what
>>>> you're quoting.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say that statement is false and should be removed.
>>>>
>>>> -Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:47 AM, Pierre Massat <pimassat at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>         Dear list,
>>>>
>>>> I am working on a small patch which stores simple events in a table to
>>>> trigger sounds later on.
>>>>  I would like to be able to edit the content of my table easily, which
>>>> requires scrolling it, zooming in, and eventually editing the content.
>>>>
>>>>  I have found away of scrolling the content, but it is very slow with
>>>> relatively big tables (hem, even with a table with 20 000 samples...).
>>>> Please see the example attached.
>>>>
>>>>  I have 2 questions :
>>>>  1) Is there a more efficient way of doing this ? Copying only part of
>>>> the content is worse (i've tried).
>>>>  2) Can I prevent the content of the table from spilling over the table
>>>> to right of the left ? I get the same behaviour in a GOP, and putting a
>>>> canvas next to the table to cover it doesn't work because the table content
>>>> gets redrawn on top of it.
>>>>
>>>>  This leads me to a more general question about something i've found in
>>>> the help :
>>>> "5 Wave editing: with proper manipulation of array data, Pd can be
>>>> fully functional wave editor, complete with mouse-clickable cut-n-paste,
>>>> pitch-shift, time expansion, down/upsampling, and other tools typically
>>>> found in commercial wave editors."
>>>>  This has always sounded very appealing to me, but i wonder how
>>>> realistic this statement is... unless i'm ignoring 80 % of what can be done
>>>> with tables in Pd.
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre.
>>>>
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