[PD] midi question

Aaron L. elmastero74 at gmail.com
Wed Mar 12 20:23:11 CET 2014


Cool stuff.

What's the mic into pd for?

Vocals?




On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:

> (Woops. Fixed wrong subject line.)
>
> Here's an old demo, an example of my use case, 1 guitar audio channel +
> guitar midi note data: MyLungsWereAchingForYou<http://musicdump.danomatika.com/New%20robotcowboy/tour%20demos/MyLungsWereAchingForYou-demo.mp3>
>
> The guitar in this case is a Casio DG-20 digital guitar (essentially a
> Casio keyboard with a guitar fretboard interface). I have an analog
> (regular) guitar + the guitar-midi converter box which functions
> equivalently, although the DG-20 midi pitch tracking is faster.
>
> * 1 channel guitar into pd
> * 1 channel mic into pd
> * guitar midi output into pd
>
> All processing is done live in pd, then mixed down into stereo.
>
> The bass line root note is chosen based on the midi note data coming from
> the guitar. No matter what key I play in, the bass line matches it. The
> drums are tracked and generated lie in pd, using super simple drum synths.
> The samples are triggered by the song tracking.
>
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Those devices I mentioned are not merely pickups, they are little embedded
> computers that calculate the pitch tracking for you and send midi note and
> ctl change data. They were originally designed so that you could play a
> midi synth with your guitar. They only output midi, no audio. You use the
> regular guitar jack for audio.
>
> Nowadays, you can simply send the midi data into your computer and receive
> it in PD. This is what I do. Again, I'm talking *only* about midi data.
> This has nothing to do with 6 channel audio. My use case is to send the
> guitar in as 1 channel (using the normal guitar jack output) and then
> control synths, effects processing, etc with the tracked note data for each
> string coming from the guitar pitch to midi converter.
>
> If you want 6 individual audio channels, 1 for each string in addition to
> the tracked note value for said strings then by all means do as Rafael
> suggests. However, if all you need is the tracked note values, but *do not*
> need the individual audio channels, then I'm suggesting one of these off
> the shelf pitch to midi boxes that already does this.
>
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Aaron L. <elmastero74 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dan.
>
> Thanks for the info.  I'm relatively new to this stuff and my use-case
> ain't exactly conventional so forgive the 3rd degree......
>
> But if I understand you correctly, you're saying that instead of having 6
> dedicated/discrete outputs from a hexaphonic pickup, the pickups referenced
> in your email (the Shadow SH-075 and the Fishman Tripleplay) will
> essentially do the "routing" on the fly?  Based on pitch?
>
> Are they smart enough to determine 440hz on a 5th-fretted low-E string vs
> an open A string?
>
> Also, wouldn't both the hardware (i.e the pickup used) as well as PD have
> to be smart enough to do this?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, that *sigh* is condescending. Not my intention. I was thinking
>> more about all the times we try to make things ourselves when an available
>> solution already exists. I myself am guilty of this as much as anyone. A
>> good mantra, at least in my media art circles, is "be lazy like a fox". :D
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Pitch to midi guitar systems have been around since the mid 80s. If the
>> OP only needs control data, there's no need to bring a dedicated computer
>> and multiple channel sound card into the equation. I use a Shadow SH-075<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzsaZe2zQV4> which
>> was built in W. Germany (!) in the late 80's I bought off of eBay and it's
>> tracking speed is definitely acceptable, at least for what I do. There is a
>> new guy on the block, the Fishman Tripleplay<http://www.fishman.com/tripleplay> which
>> I'd like to upgrade to as it's standard USB midi so will work with PdParty
>> and my iPad. Both of these are relatively small as compared the Roland's
>> rack mount and stomp box offerings (why don't they shrink the GR stuff by
>> now?).
>>
>> Just saying that not every nail needs the PD hammer. Forgive me if my
>> understanding of the original question was wrong.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:28 AM, pd-list-request at iem.at wrote:
>>
>> *From: *Rafael Vega <email.rafa at gmail.com>
>>  *Subject: **Re: [PD] midi question*
>> *Date: *March 12, 2014 at 9:00:47 AM EDT
>> *To: *"Aaron L." <elmastero74 at gmail.com>
>>  *Cc: *pd-list <pd-list at iem.at>
>>  *Reply-To: *email.rafa at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>  You could also get a sound card with 6 analog inputs and connect each
>> output of the microphone to an individual channel. This way you can do 6 at
>> a time.
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