[PD] Data structures and click event

[Jonathan Wilkes]

On 03/07/2014 06:55 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
> I'll have to have a look and see what the ideas are... I don't
> know anything yet.

Well there's the important stuff:
https://jwilkes.nfshost.com/mm.webm

And then the less important stuff, like being able to patch 15 out of 
the 28 demos shown here:
http://raphaeljs.com/

Essentially everything except the ones with gradients and text, but 
those features can be added later.

It's generally not as high level as Raphael-- for example I ported the 
Raphael code to subpatches for the easing demo, and I'm just using 
[line] to do the animation.  However, it would not be too hard on the Pd 
side to add an "animate" method.  In fact that'd be quite efficient as 
you'd only be sending a single message over the socket and letting the 
GUI take care of the details.

Also, I'm instantiating scalars inside object boxes.  Since the user can 
send messages to update shape attributes straight to the parent draw 
command, this means he/she can do an end-run around pointers for 
prototyping.  So essentially you have the ability to dynamically change 
visual attributes on the class level (i.e., the parentwidgetbehavior) 
and on the object level (for the specific scalar, as you can currently).

There are still lots of details to get right, like handling groups 
properly, but the basic stuff is there.

-Jonathan

>    Anyhow I think there are a couple of things
> that are higher priority:  getting editing to be more user-friendly,
> and getting the IEM GUIs to behave better.  And I'm afraid I can
> only write code at a fraction of the speed others can - so PD
> vanilla will always seem years behind everything else.
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 12:45:33AM +0100, João Pais wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/05/2014 05:24 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
>>>> Dear list,
>>>>
>>>> First of all i'd like to say that i'm very impressed by the
>>>> potential of data structures in Pd. I've always kind of ignored
>>>> this feature and it's a >>pity because it's really worth diving
>>>> into it.That being said I think that help and example patches
>>>> are far from sufficient for beginners, and if it wasn't for
>>>> Chris McCormick's s->>abstractions I would have been able to
>>>> really figure out how to use them (stuff like how to make an
>>>> entire polygon draggable, how to use >>GOP with proper scaling,
>>>> etc.).
>>> It's not just the documentation, it's the interface.  Having to
>>> walk linked-lists of graphically unlinked objects is bad.  Having
>>> to use boilerplate to find the >head of a glist just to create a
>>> scalar is bad.
>>>
>>> I think Pd-l2ork is getting close to a release with my new data
>>> structure stuff in it.  It's a first step at addressing some of
>>> these issues.
>> and any prospects of that stuff making it into vanilla or pd-ext,
>> for the non-unix users out there?
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