[PD] Fear and Loathing on the Pd list - was Re: ANN: New Pd-L2Ork x86_64 and Raspberry Pi 20140319 release candidate

Julian Brooks jbeezez at gmail.com
Mon Mar 24 15:33:46 CET 2014


More bad vibes from our list and even more seems to be simmering and
emanating from within our community at the moment.  What is up with this? I

I must confess to also having side-stepped pd-announce with a few things
over the past year or so and jumping direct to pd-list so something's not
functioning correctly with all this (quite often perhaps it's just the
delay in sending and waiting for it to appear that makes the poster jumpy
about it getting through IME).

Anyways, I'll bite.
Ico, please keep posting stuff - it's interesting and good to be kept
IOHannes - please just carry on:)

In peace,


On 24 March 2014 13:51, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:

> > On 2014-03-22 17:03, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> > > Apologies for x-posting.
> >
> > i seem to remember that i have asked you this question multiple times
> > in private, but never received an answer: is there *any* reason to
> > make your announcements via pd-list instead of pd-announce [1]?
> > all emails to pd-announce are forwarded to pd-list, but some people
> > are only subscribed to pd-announce (as they are not interested in
> > day-to-day discussion).
> ...IOhannes, indeed we've had discussions in the past to the point where I
> believe no matter what I do will be adequate in your eyes. Your replies to
> anything I post to this list teem with negativity, and a good portion of
> the
> time are off-topic (which makes me wonder how does that fit into the
> mailing
> list netiquette?). Yet, knowing you from our in-person conversations, I
> know
> you are a lot nicer than what your posts to this list make you look like.
> >
> > btw, anybody can post to pd-announce (all emails get manual moderation
> > and are allowed if they are a proper announcement "related to Pd
> > somehow").
> And yet, I had those rejected as well, although I am not sure if pd-l2ork
> announcement is considered related to Pd... It is conceivably possible that
> this was a case of having bunch of mailing lists in the TO: header in the
> same email which is also known to land them in the admin pile (depending on
> the mailing list configuration), but given that all pd-announce emails are
> (AFAICT) moderated, what escapes me is why would one reject this merely on
> the principle and then in turn double the work both for the poster and
> themselves?
> >
> >
> > > (resending because apparently the original was rejected because I
> > > was "not subscribed?"...)
> >
> > no.
> > it was rejected because the mailinglist has a built-in cross-posting
> > reject rule. see [2].
> First of all, if this is the case, then your mailing list is not configured
> properly as it is giving a report that is false/misleading. Second, I think
> if this is an automatic bounce, it should happen instantaneously (which was
> not the case). If it is left for review of list admins (and hence the delay
> in response), then the trouble you went to reject the post could've been
> simply redirected by seeing from who the email came and what its purpose
> is,
> rather than creating even more work for everyone involved. Sure, that
> introduces exceptions, but in the end I feel it is a nice way of showing
> appreciation for those who went through the trouble of contributing to the
> community as I am sure you'll agree writing an announcement and providing
> free online resources requires a lot more time than reading a subject and
> ticking the "approve" checkbox...
> I also think this is extraneous (assuming the reject is automated). Like
> yourself, I manage over dozen mailing lists among many other things that
> keep me busy and even I choose to keep those kinds of posts for review
> because I am aware people when they announce things don't want to send
> dozen
> same emails but simply one. At the same time, I also don't want to create
> extra work for you or anyone else, so to cut my monologue short, if you
> and/or the community so desire, I will stop posting any further
> announcements on any pd list, so as not to annoy you (and possibly others).
> After all, you manage the list, and life is too short to spend time arguing
> over things like these...
> Please understand I won't reply to any further discussions on this
> matter...
> Best wishes,
> Ico
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