[PD] [qlist] and locality

Alexandre Torres Porres porres at gmail.com
Thu Apr 3 23:32:27 CEST 2014

> Wow, you keep beating that horse after its dead
> for quite a while by now

> I don't think this debate is going lead anywhere

please, cope with my lack of knowledge in computer science/languages
jargons. All I'm doing is asking to learn more about it and get what you
guys mean. I'm not debating, since I'm even stating I couldn't do it when I
say I probably won't be able to grasp all the details and will just take
the word for it...

So relax, you keep misjudging before reading more carefully. I'm not
looking for a debate, and I'm also saying I'm cool with Pd's workaround
myself, so there's no personal frustration. As I said, I'm not even
thinking about me as my concerns come from luring people into using Pd,
while I'm already sold for it.

Anyway, having said that, I'd appreciate if anyone could help me understand
Pd's structure and developing issues.

For instance, I don't think I understand what "inconsistencies" mean in
this context.


2014-04-03 17:03 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli <reduzent at gmail.com>:

> On Don, 2014-04-03 at 16:13 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > thanks for explaining it all
> >
> >
> > > imagine trying to design something like that
> > > which is also backwards compatible with the
> > > crude namespacing tools that already exist in Pd.
> > >  It's not possible
> >
> >
> > ok, here's where I'm a bit confuse. You're not saying it'd be
> > impossible to make messages inherit the $0 value, are you?
> Wow, you keep beating that horse after its dead for quite a while by
> now. It is _not_at_all_ about technical difficulties (probably it is
> indeed difficult, I don't really know). It's about breaking consistency.
> Expanding arguments of the parent is different from expanding to
> elements of incoming messages.
> While I understand your frustration to some degree, I don't think this
> debate is going lead anywhere, simply because of that fact that I don't
> believe any dev will deliberately introduce inconsistencies just for the
> sake of convenience. And yes, I understand the convenience of $0
> expanding to the canvas-local ID and yes, it would probably make
> patching simpler. I am very much with you in this respect.
> Roman
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