[PD] Updated pd-extended
Phil Stone
pkstone at ucdavis.edu
Tue Sep 23 19:07:03 CEST 2014
It is excellent news that pd-l2ork may soon be available outside of
Linux, Ivica. Cheers, and best of luck on this tack.
Phil
On 9/23/14, 7:57 AM, Ivica Bukvic wrote:
>
> Well, I guess you can call me a "developer," whatever that means--I
> don't care that much about titles. Yet, I would argue that as far as
> low level stuff is concerned in recent years pd-l2ork has certainly
> pushed the envelope in terms of core development. Even the feature
> that has earned me the title in quotations delves so deep into the
> core that currently it cannot be implemented in either vanilla or
> extended without significant changes even though it retains full
> backwards compatibility. I would also argue it is essential and offers
> a slew of features that are unavailable in any other implementation of
> presets.
>
> Pd-l2ork's greatest deterrent is exclusivity to Linux, which was
> initially a conscious decision to allow for faster development while
> addressing the lack of manpower. But that is about to change once we
> complete port to Qt library. We already transitioned to Tkpath quite a
> while ago which allowed us to use a full SVG-based canvas, so I have
> no doubt we will be able to do this again. Once this is done, we won't
> have to circumnavigate exceptions Tk library requires in order to be
> compliant with different platforms and I would argue in turn that will
> result in faster development. So, if you are really interested in
> pushing the development of non-vanilla pd I think you should heed some
> of Jonathan's advice and look for ways how community can work together
> in combining the "best of" and engaging developers and "developers"
> alike who have shown dedication to the cause. But before that can be
> accomplished, the community should consider agreeing on design
> choices. For instance, pd-l2ork came into existence because it focuses
> on more nimble development at the expense of potential loss of
> backwards compatibility (even though after 4 years of development the
> only incompatibility we infatuated is correcting buggy positioning of
> iemgui objects, which is cosmetic in nature) because a good chunk of
> that compatibility stems from buggy implementations that stuck around
> long enough that they became a part of the standard (e.g. iemgui's
> buggy positioning of objects that are arbitrarily offset from their x
> and y positions, as reported by the pd script), which is unfortunate.
>
> Best,
>
> Ico
>
> On Sep 23, 2014 9:21 AM, "Dan Wilcox" <danomatika at gmail.com
> <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I disagree. Your example lists what? 2 more developers? I'm
> talking about "developers" as in people working the C code, build
> scripts, tcl/tk etc aka people who could, theoretically, help push
> out a new Pd-extended release. True, we have plenty of people
> working on externals, but this is a problem for someone who can go
> deeper.
>
> I still maintain that the number of low level developers to
> overall users (non-developers) is relatively low.
>
> On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at
> <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at> wrote:
>
>> However, your description of the user/developer ratio doesn't
>> ring true to me. There's actually a surplus of developers and
>> development energy-- I count two implementations of presets in
>> the last year or two (in Pd-l2ork and the Chocolate et Coffee
>> lib) which are in addition to however many already exist on svn
>> and the Pd forum.
>
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