[PD] Fwd: PDCon (was Updated pd-extended)

Mon Dec 1 15:24:02 CET 2014

+1 Mexico City ;)

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Chris McCormick <chris at mccormick.cx>
wrote:

> Hi Charles,
>
> Sorry for the slow reply. Things are madness at the moment in my neck of
> the woods.
>
> This sounds great!
>
> I would use existing infrastructure (website/registration) - for a
> barcamp type of thing it's traditional to use a wiki, which has a very
> low barrier to entry. I guess you could even use the pure-data.info site
> and just create a wiki page on there somewhere. Probably the most
> important bit will be "marketing" or in normal people language
> "reminding everyone about it over and over again." Don't forget to post
> on the pure-data forum too.
>
> Seems like there is a lot to talk about in Pd-world at the moment.
> Miller has created new stuff in recent versions that hasn't been talked
> about much on this list and it would also be cool to get an overview
> from the Pd-l2ork guys on their innovations. Then there is libpd, and
> there are always implementation talks too on how people are using Pd in
> the wild.
>
> I will not be able to make it to the USA in June (second child on the
> way) but your plan sounds solid and if you get enough interested people
> it should be excellent.
>
> Let me know if there is any small way I can help beyond promotion!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris.
>
> On 26/11/14 14:37, Charles Z Henry wrote:
> > Hey Chris,
> >
> > I've kept talking to folks around Lawrence about organizing a kind of
> > Pd Con here, and the more I think about it, I just keep coming back to
> > your bar camp idea.  It's pretty on--just the format for some events
> > needs to be a bit different from other bar camps I think.
> >
> > #1 & 2:  Lawrence, KS, 3rd week of June?
> > #3:  There's some cheap accomodations and some fancy digs alike, and I
> > think we can find a way to line up couch surfing for those who prefer
> > it
> > #4:  We still need a website and registration... but the CFP can look
> > very different.
> > I have been advised to ask venues to participate in early January.
> > About that time, it should be possible to know what/how many
> > performances will be possible.
> >
> > I hope it's not too late to toss the idea around.  You can't plan for
> > spontaneity--but maybe you can structure for it.   The idea is for
> > folks interested to bring some work (maybe complete or in progress)
> > and nominate/bid for time slots to talk about it.  The task is really
> > to make enough space for everyone who wants to be there.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Chris McCormick <chris at mccormick.cx>
> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Random self-organising PdCon architecture idea:
> >>
> >>  1. Pick a location that matches the following criteria:
> >>    * Not too expensive to fly/get to for majority of people.
> >>    * Somewhere where bulk accommodation is cheap (e.g. camp site).
> >>    * Located close to amenities so people can organise their own food
> etc.
> >>
> >>  2. Pick a date.
> >>
> >>  3. Crowd-fund from this community the cost of hiring a large-ish camp
> >> style venue in that location for a few days or a week.
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp>
> >>
> >>  4. Run "bar camp" style self-organizing PdCon where participants
> >> nominate their own talks for the various time slots of the conference on
> >> a wiki such as a page on the pure-data.info site.
> >>
> >> With regards to (1) there must be suitable places in the USA that meet
> >> these criteria (although big cities like NY seem to be out) but it would
> >> also be fun to find a large venue somewhere like Bali or Manila or a
> >> small town in India (Hyderabad seems to have particularly cheap flights
> >> for some reason), Chile, rural Italy etc. The Southeast Asia region
> >> looks particularly attractive from a flight-cost point of view and
> >> amenities would generally be very cheap. Obviously it would need to be
> >> reasonably well connected so people can actually get there without too
> >> much expense/hassle. Where are the hidden gems that match this criteria?
> >>
> >> Self-organising conference by a group of Pure Data nerds in a place none
> >> of us has been before - what could possibly go wrong? ;)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Chris.
> >>
> >> On 27/09/14 19:23, Joseph Deken wrote:
> >>> I would like to feel that NB is always a *resource* and not a
> *constraint.*
> >>>
> >>> I'd be happy to help, especially if NB efforts would bring much more
> >>> *community contact* into the Pdcon setting.  ("Bring the person on the
> >>> street into the university" as I believe Jaime said about his new
> >>> Waverly Labs).
> >>>
> >>> I have direct evidence of Kansas including a large piece of flint and
> >>> some roadside wildflowers growing in a coffee mug in my car from the
> >>> Flint Hills.  In the Flint Hills you will also find the farm (along
> >>> I-70 in fact) where Connie grew up!  Evidence indeed.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014, Miller Puckette wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> One potential organizer is thinking about throwing a Pd convention in
> >>>> Kansas -
> >>>> I have no idea if it's a real possibility.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think UCSD would be a bad place for it since the cost of visiting
> >>>> here is so
> >>>> high - and UCSD always wants to rechanrge everything, so we'd end up
> >>>> being
> >>>> out tens of thousands of dollars.  OTOH, a lightweight organization
> in a
> >>>> cheap part of the coutry could throw a spectacular one.  And if there
> is
> >>>> enough synergy, New Blankets could join as a collaborator.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said I've never been to Kansas - I assume there actually is one
> >>>> but have
> >>>> only seen it in books.
> >>>>
> >>>> cheers
> >>>> Miller
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 06:52:17AM -0500, Joseph Deken wrote:
> >>>>> I can see "plus and minus" aspects.  One of the charms of PdWeekend
> >>>>> has been that it's just a small gathering of "Miller Puckette and
> >>>>> friends."  As it is, I've been able to make all the arrangements
> >>>>> single-handedly (allowing always various hiccups). So it's very
> >>>>> lightweight and I think that Miller's always willing to put it
> >>>>> on his crowded calendar because of that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PdCon would definitely allow more people to participate.  But I think
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> administration would be beyond my abilities/desires.  If e.g. Peter
> Otto
> >>>>> or someone wanted to put a PdCon together as a UCSD effort or some
> such,
> >>>>> of course I'd be glad to help with it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Last year and this year we had some (unfulfilled) ideas of useful
> >>>>> video recordings (This year, Sofy had planned to do Ustream but it
> >>>>> didn't happen).  So on a related matter I'd say that even if
> PdWeekend
> >>>>> stays small for the advantages of that, we should *try harder* next
> >>>>> year to produce effective video, networked live sessions, or other
> >>>>> means of widening the participation and the downstream benefits of
> our
> >>>>> little meeting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014, Jaime E Oliver wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> btw
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Have you ever considered a PdCon in San Diego?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am thinking it is like a Pd Weekend except a bit larger…
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> best,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> J
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: "me.grimm" <megrimm at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [PD] PDCon (was Updated pd-extended)
> >>>>>>> Date: September 25, 2014 9:40:47 PM EDT
> >>>>>>> To: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Cc: Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com>, "pd-list at lists.iem.at"
> >>>>>>> <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I was waiting for the american PdCon and it never happened
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hans and dan had talked about this. maybe it could still happen? ed
> >>>>>>> had talked about london once i remember in '09?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> guess I'll have to make another south american one
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> brazil? or somewhere else in s. america? do it! your a great
> >>>>>>> organizer.... :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> m
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres
> >>>>>>> <porres at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> love those two ideas
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I could also add the idea of having some research group working on
> >>>>>>> it. At least here in Brazil I know a couple of people who'd like to
> >>>>>>> back it up.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> so yeah, I was waiting for the american PdCon and it never happened
> >>>>>>> :( guess I'll have to make another south american one
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> cheers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2014-09-21 18:19 GMT-03:00 me.grimm <megrimm at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> it involves time
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ... or money.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> maybe we revisit the kickstarter (or something else) idea brought
> >>>>>>> forth by jonathon a few years ago and just pay someone to do it. to
> >>>>>>> me it seems like 1) none of us really have any money (im just
> >>>>>>> assuming here we are all poor artists) and more importantly 2) none
> >>>>>>> of us really have any time and those that do might not have the
> >>>>>>> skills.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> OR maybe we have another PDCon (remember that?) to get amped up and
> >>>>>>> pump something out....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> m
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I talked to Hans about this a bit. In essence, it involves bringing
> >>>>>>> in the new pd vanilla source and making sure the Pd-extended
> >>>>>>> additions/modifications aren't lost. With the updates/cleanups to
> >>>>>>> the tcl/tk sources a few years ago (great work Hans et al!), it
> >>>>>>> should be alot easier than the previous extended releases. But
> >>>>>>> still, *easy* or not, it involves time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Updated pd-extended
> >>>>>>>> Date: September 20, 2014 at 5:02:59 PM EDT
> >>>>>>>> To: Billy Stiltner <billy.stiltner at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: "pd-list at lists.iem.at" <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I wish I knew something about coding to help out with its
> >>>>>>>> development :P I do care a lot about it though and wish I could
> >>>>>>>> help in some other way.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I do see a few problems with extended, but they're basically
> >>>>>>>> related to some of the externals and libraries that sometimes do
> >>>>>>>> not work as they should, have bad and messy help files and are
> >>>>>>>> sometimes redundanct. If welcome, I could help sharing my thoughts
> >>>>>>>> and two cents about that, but I realize those are not actual bug
> >>>>>>>> fixes regarding the code, so it's not a priority on its to do list
> >>>>>>>> and issues for being updated to another release.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anyway, while were at it, what kind of work exactly do you mean
> >>>>>>>> someone would have to do? I suppose there is a great list of bug
> >>>>>>>> fixes just to keep it basically what it is. Given the context, I'm
> >>>>>>>> not assuming any big to do list for some new features agenda. But
> >>>>>>>> besidesthe bug fixes, how hard is it for someone to just update to
> >>>>>>>> the latest vanilla core?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well, since Pd is an open source project that relies on community
> >>>>>>>> effort, and this is the list of its main developers and users, I
> >>>>>>>> guess this is the place to talk about a collaboration and see if
> >>>>>>>> we can get Pd-extended's development
> >>>>>>>> to continue.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'd to help in any way I can.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --------
> >>>>>>> Dan Wilcox
> >>>>>>> @danomatika
> >>>>>>> danomatika.com
> >>>>>>> robotcowboy.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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