[PD] Fwd: PDCon (was Updated pd-extended)

Charles Z Henry czhenry at gmail.com
Tue Dec 2 23:07:10 CET 2014

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Chris McCormick <chris at mccormick.cx> wrote:
> Hi Charles,
> Sorry for the slow reply. Things are madness at the moment in my neck of
> the woods.

It's no problem at all.  This takes some creative problem-solving to
pin down.  Any input you have, in the time you have, is just great.

> This sounds great!
> I would use existing infrastructure (website/registration) - for a
> barcamp type of thing it's traditional to use a wiki, which has a very
> low barrier to entry. I guess you could even use the pure-data.info site
> and just create a wiki page on there somewhere. Probably the most
> important bit will be "marketing" or in normal people language
> "reminding everyone about it over and over again." Don't forget to post
> on the pure-data forum too.

What we want is a logical structure that takes participants from
posting ideas, gathering support or collaboration, doing the work, to
writing documentation or publication.

But the process may be very different depending on the
content--someone may want to host a workshop, present a paper, perform
a composition, create an installation ( or even something entirely
different).  Instead of a review process, maybe we could settle on
semi-supervision or voluntary leadership?

I don't have the whole picture in my head yet--I'm the sort of person
who needs the "big picture".  I can't take the first step, until I
know what the last step is going to look like.  But I hope to have
something exact to propose soon (and a prototype of some web space to
try out).

> Seems like there is a lot to talk about in Pd-world at the moment.
> Miller has created new stuff in recent versions that hasn't been talked
> about much on this list and it would also be cool to get an overview
> from the Pd-l2ork guys on their innovations. Then there is libpd, and
> there are always implementation talks too on how people are using Pd in
> the wild.
> I will not be able to make it to the USA in June (second child on the
> way) but your plan sounds solid and if you get enough interested people
> it should be excellent.
> Let me know if there is any small way I can help beyond promotion!
> Cheers,
> Chris.

My best wishes to your growing family!  I will look forward to meeting
you in person, some other time, and I'll keep in touch about how the
process goes.


> On 26/11/14 14:37, Charles Z Henry wrote:
>> Hey Chris,
>> I've kept talking to folks around Lawrence about organizing a kind of
>> Pd Con here, and the more I think about it, I just keep coming back to
>> your bar camp idea.  It's pretty on--just the format for some events
>> needs to be a bit different from other bar camps I think.
>> #1 & 2:  Lawrence, KS, 3rd week of June?
>> #3:  There's some cheap accomodations and some fancy digs alike, and I
>> think we can find a way to line up couch surfing for those who prefer
>> it
>> #4:  We still need a website and registration... but the CFP can look
>> very different.
>> I have been advised to ask venues to participate in early January.
>> About that time, it should be possible to know what/how many
>> performances will be possible.
>> I hope it's not too late to toss the idea around.  You can't plan for
>> spontaneity--but maybe you can structure for it.   The idea is for
>> folks interested to bring some work (maybe complete or in progress)
>> and nominate/bid for time slots to talk about it.  The task is really
>> to make enough space for everyone who wants to be there.
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Chris McCormick <chris at mccormick.cx> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> Random self-organising PdCon architecture idea:
>>>  1. Pick a location that matches the following criteria:
>>>    * Not too expensive to fly/get to for majority of people.
>>>    * Somewhere where bulk accommodation is cheap (e.g. camp site).
>>>    * Located close to amenities so people can organise their own food etc.
>>>  2. Pick a date.
>>>  3. Crowd-fund from this community the cost of hiring a large-ish camp
>>> style venue in that location for a few days or a week.
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp>
>>>  4. Run "bar camp" style self-organizing PdCon where participants
>>> nominate their own talks for the various time slots of the conference on
>>> a wiki such as a page on the pure-data.info site.
>>> With regards to (1) there must be suitable places in the USA that meet
>>> these criteria (although big cities like NY seem to be out) but it would
>>> also be fun to find a large venue somewhere like Bali or Manila or a
>>> small town in India (Hyderabad seems to have particularly cheap flights
>>> for some reason), Chile, rural Italy etc. The Southeast Asia region
>>> looks particularly attractive from a flight-cost point of view and
>>> amenities would generally be very cheap. Obviously it would need to be
>>> reasonably well connected so people can actually get there without too
>>> much expense/hassle. Where are the hidden gems that match this criteria?
>>> Self-organising conference by a group of Pure Data nerds in a place none
>>> of us has been before - what could possibly go wrong? ;)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris.
>>> On 27/09/14 19:23, Joseph Deken wrote:
>>>> I would like to feel that NB is always a *resource* and not a *constraint.*
>>>> I'd be happy to help, especially if NB efforts would bring much more
>>>> *community contact* into the Pdcon setting.  ("Bring the person on the
>>>> street into the university" as I believe Jaime said about his new
>>>> Waverly Labs).
>>>> I have direct evidence of Kansas including a large piece of flint and
>>>> some roadside wildflowers growing in a coffee mug in my car from the
>>>> Flint Hills.  In the Flint Hills you will also find the farm (along
>>>> I-70 in fact) where Connie grew up!  Evidence indeed.
>>>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014, Miller Puckette wrote:
>>>>> One potential organizer is thinking about throwing a Pd convention in
>>>>> Kansas -
>>>>> I have no idea if it's a real possibility.
>>>>> I think UCSD would be a bad place for it since the cost of visiting
>>>>> here is so
>>>>> high - and UCSD always wants to rechanrge everything, so we'd end up
>>>>> being
>>>>> out tens of thousands of dollars.  OTOH, a lightweight organization in a
>>>>> cheap part of the coutry could throw a spectacular one.  And if there is
>>>>> enough synergy, New Blankets could join as a collaborator.
>>>>> That said I've never been to Kansas - I assume there actually is one
>>>>> but have
>>>>> only seen it in books.
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> Miller
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 06:52:17AM -0500, Joseph Deken wrote:
>>>>>> I can see "plus and minus" aspects.  One of the charms of PdWeekend
>>>>>> has been that it's just a small gathering of "Miller Puckette and
>>>>>> friends."  As it is, I've been able to make all the arrangements
>>>>>> single-handedly (allowing always various hiccups). So it's very
>>>>>> lightweight and I think that Miller's always willing to put it
>>>>>> on his crowded calendar because of that.
>>>>>> PdCon would definitely allow more people to participate.  But I think
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> administration would be beyond my abilities/desires.  If e.g. Peter Otto
>>>>>> or someone wanted to put a PdCon together as a UCSD effort or some such,
>>>>>> of course I'd be glad to help with it.
>>>>>> Last year and this year we had some (unfulfilled) ideas of useful
>>>>>> video recordings (This year, Sofy had planned to do Ustream but it
>>>>>> didn't happen).  So on a related matter I'd say that even if PdWeekend
>>>>>> stays small for the advantages of that, we should *try harder* next
>>>>>> year to produce effective video, networked live sessions, or other
>>>>>> means of widening the participation and the downstream benefits of our
>>>>>> little meeting.
>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014, Jaime E Oliver wrote:
>>>>>>> btw
>>>>>>> Have you ever considered a PdCon in San Diego?
>>>>>>> I am thinking it is like a Pd Weekend except a bit larger…
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>> From: "me.grimm" <megrimm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [PD] PDCon (was Updated pd-extended)
>>>>>>>> Date: September 25, 2014 9:40:47 PM EDT
>>>>>>>> To: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com>, "pd-list at lists.iem.at"
>>>>>>>> <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
>>>>>>>>>> I was waiting for the american PdCon and it never happened
>>>>>>>> hans and dan had talked about this. maybe it could still happen? ed
>>>>>>>> had talked about london once i remember in '09?
>>>>>>>>>> guess I'll have to make another south american one
>>>>>>>> brazil? or somewhere else in s. america? do it! your a great
>>>>>>>> organizer.... :)
>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres
>>>>>>>> <porres at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> love those two ideas
>>>>>>>> I could also add the idea of having some research group working on
>>>>>>>> it. At least here in Brazil I know a couple of people who'd like to
>>>>>>>> back it up.
>>>>>>>> so yeah, I was waiting for the american PdCon and it never happened
>>>>>>>> :( guess I'll have to make another south american one
>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>> 2014-09-21 18:19 GMT-03:00 me.grimm <megrimm at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> it involves time
>>>>>>>> ... or money.
>>>>>>>> maybe we revisit the kickstarter (or something else) idea brought
>>>>>>>> forth by jonathon a few years ago and just pay someone to do it. to
>>>>>>>> me it seems like 1) none of us really have any money (im just
>>>>>>>> assuming here we are all poor artists) and more importantly 2) none
>>>>>>>> of us really have any time and those that do might not have the
>>>>>>>> skills.
>>>>>>>> OR maybe we have another PDCon (remember that?) to get amped up and
>>>>>>>> pump something out....
>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I talked to Hans about this a bit. In essence, it involves bringing
>>>>>>>> in the new pd vanilla source and making sure the Pd-extended
>>>>>>>> additions/modifications aren't lost. With the updates/cleanups to
>>>>>>>> the tcl/tk sources a few years ago (great work Hans et al!), it
>>>>>>>> should be alot easier than the previous extended releases. But
>>>>>>>> still, *easy* or not, it involves time.
>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
>>>>>>>>> From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Updated pd-extended
>>>>>>>>> Date: September 20, 2014 at 5:02:59 PM EDT
>>>>>>>>> To: Billy Stiltner <billy.stiltner at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: "pd-list at lists.iem.at" <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
>>>>>>>>> I wish I knew something about coding to help out with its
>>>>>>>>> development :P I do care a lot about it though and wish I could
>>>>>>>>> help in some other way.
>>>>>>>>> I do see a few problems with extended, but they're basically
>>>>>>>>> related to some of the externals and libraries that sometimes do
>>>>>>>>> not work as they should, have bad and messy help files and are
>>>>>>>>> sometimes redundanct. If welcome, I could help sharing my thoughts
>>>>>>>>> and two cents about that, but I realize those are not actual bug
>>>>>>>>> fixes regarding the code, so it's not a priority on its to do list
>>>>>>>>> and issues for being updated to another release.
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, while were at it, what kind of work exactly do you mean
>>>>>>>>> someone would have to do? I suppose there is a great list of bug
>>>>>>>>> fixes just to keep it basically what it is. Given the context, I'm
>>>>>>>>> not assuming any big to do list for some new features agenda. But
>>>>>>>>> besidesthe bug fixes, how hard is it for someone to just update to
>>>>>>>>> the latest vanilla core?
>>>>>>>>> Well, since Pd is an open source project that relies on community
>>>>>>>>> effort, and this is the list of its main developers and users, I
>>>>>>>>> guess this is the place to talk about a collaboration and see if
>>>>>>>>> we can get Pd-extended's development
>>>>>>>>> to continue.
>>>>>>>>> I'd to help in any way I can.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> --------
>>>>>>>> Dan Wilcox
>>>>>>>> @danomatika
>>>>>>>> danomatika.com
>>>>>>>> robotcowboy.com

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