[PD] Artikulation - datastructures

Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton at gmail.com
Tue Dec 9 13:45:56 CET 2014


One nice thing about the unix philosophy from a cretive person's point 
of view is that you do not necessarily have to use one, monolithic tool 
(software) to do everything.
IMHO this leaves much more space to expreimentation, trial, unorthodox 
ways of doing things, eventually less standardised and less canned 
creations.

This may sound a bit provocative.. but, do we really need to do 
'everything' in Pd? For example for realtime scores this is rather 
interesting (and I must say quite appealing visually):

www.iannix.org

It uses OSC, which Pd supports (not sure what the 'out-of-the-box' 
vanilla support status is.. anyway).

For a piano + electronics (a.k.a. 'tape') piece I once used Inkscape for 
an expressive representation of the electronic part matched to the piano 
part in traditional notation... I was using qjackctrl always on top to 
play the piece and keep track of the bars, and had to hack the SVG to 
import the Lilipond score :-)

Bottom line. The best IMHO is that Pd is very interoperable at various 
levels, so JACK audio, midi, OSC, FUDI, TCP, [your favouritestandard here].

Then obviously this doesn't _exclude_ the fact that (usable) data 
structures are nice :-)

My two cents.
Lorenzo.

On 04/12/2014 10:35, Julian Brooks wrote:
> There is a fairly long-standing tradition of graphic scores made, 
> post-copmosition, of electronic music - standard practice in 
> Electroacoustic tuition for example.
>
> Yet there still isn't much around that makes the auditory/visual 
> connection explicit (Xenakis' UPIC and its derivatives being one of 
> the classic examples).
>
> For those interested in notational aspects and approaches within 
> electronic music just the idea itself of data structures is hugely 
> stimulating - you could even go so far to state that it's somewhat of 
> a 'holy grail'.
>
> I'm interested in data structures precisely because they don't work so 
> well - it's a worthwhile problem.  The now well-worn, almost clich├ęd 
> story that DS's were one of the major original impetuses for Pd's 
> existence, and 20 years later they're still a work in progress, I 
> think shows that this shit ain't easy.
>
> Hans' DS composition from a few years back has travelled far and wide 
> (it's in one of the classic recent books on graphic scores - on the 
> front cover even!) so it's a shame that there's not much else to show 
> for them in recent years.
>
> Ligeti rocks btw, proper hardcore.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julian
>
> On 4 December 2014 at 09:10, i go bananas <hard.off at gmail.com 
> <mailto:hard.off at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     and how many years work would it take to do that in pd data
>     structures?
>
>     On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Chris McCormick
>     <chris at mccormick.cx <mailto:chris at mccormick.cx>> wrote:
>
>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71hNl_skTZQ
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