[PD] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hello, I'm opening a new thread about the new direction of discussion with
a proper subject title. Perhaps this will call the attention of other
readers.

I particularly think this is of major interest to everyone. We're
discussing new ways of using the libraries in Pd Extended into Pd Vanilla,
and even a way to bring some of the Pd-extended UI changes into vanilla.

Something Miller brought up in the thread was "*Just FYI…. Joe Deken
of newblankets.org <http://newblankets.org/> is considering making a
repository of external objects compatible with Pd vanilla.  I think almost
all the*
*objects in Pd extended will work with vanilla (and if I find out
what specific changes vanilla would need to allow the others, I'd be happy
to try to provide them).  It seems like maintaining compiled versions of
the **libs is an easier thing to do than maintaining all of Pd Extended*."

So, anyone else care to share their two cents?

cheers


2014-12-17 1:05 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
:
>
> Well, you can peruse the tracker's open patches to get a sense of whether
> you can (or if it's worth your time to try).  Keep in mind the Pd-l2ork gui
> prefs code started out as a patch specifically written as a clean, small
> patch to get into Vanilla/Extended.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>   On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:04 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, I didn;t mean to sound like I'm griping. The nature of the question
> was more "if we apply clean, small patches to vanilla, could we get some of
> Han's updates in so they aren't lost to non Pd-l2ork users". I'm in the
> middle of writing my thesis right now, but getting into real Pd development
> again is on my list when I'm finally done with it.
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>  On 12/16/2014 03:12 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>
>  I like how I explicitly asked to not hear that "Pd-l2ork has that" and
> yet that's the response I got. I already knew this anyway from the sample
> screenshots you were posting when you were implementing it. (Looks great
> BTW)
>
>
> Yeah, I know, it was 100% willful snark on my part.  It's kind of like you
> were asking, "Is there a way to do X, while satisfying my irrational desire
> to ignore a working solution by someone who likely already did X?"
>
> Anyway, did you look at the code?  It's done in tcl/tk, and it does not
> depend on tkpath.  So if you don't want to duplicate all the work I already
> did, you can fairly easily port that back to Pd Vanilla.  There might be a
> few API differences in accessing the audio backend, but there are small and
> I don't mind helping make those changes.
>
> Also, I specifically did everything in tcl/tk so that the patch would be
> as simple as possible.  It shouldn't even require a recompile.  Now, I
> haven't looked at Ivica's changes that added persistence.  But all versions
> of Pd have the same prefs-saving code so that shouldn't be difficult,
> either.
>
>
>  Also, if you didn't know, why respond? :P
>
>
> Because the answer to your question ultimately depends on whether what you
> come up with fits the unspoken yet stringent HIG standards imposed by
> Miller's Pd.
>
> But that doesn't mean that code which does _exactly_ what you're asking
> about isn't relevant to your question.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>   On 12/15/2014 06:21 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>
> If that does become a real scenario, I hope we can find a way to bring
> some of the Pd-extended UI changes into vanilla, such as the pixel perfect
> sizing across platforms, an option for the extended coloring (graytones)
> etc. Before anyone says “Pd-Lork has that”, I’m just wondering if it’s
> feasible to bring in some of the work Hans did after the gui cleanup which
> is already in vanilla.
>
>
> In answer to your question: I don't know.
>
> Having answered that...
>
> Pd-l2ork has gui theme presets for Vanilla, Inverted Vanilla, Pd-extended,
> Commodore 64, Strongbad's Compy, and a few others.  There's also an
> interface to make a custom theme-- I didn't make it persistent but I think
> Ivica added that ability.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>  --
>  Dan Wilcox
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>
>
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