[PD] [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan at xs4all.nl
Sun Dec 21 11:07:39 CET 2014

On 2014-12-20 23:17, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Oi, no. That’s putting the cart before the horse. IMO It makes more
> sense to break up the externals in the svn to separate repos with
> working Makefiles. Once we know they’re all working and have an easy way
> to install binaries like Max, then we could go to the next level. Baby
> steps. If I wasn’t in the middle of my thesis writing right now, I would
> have done it as a test to Github already.
> Besides, requiring beginners to install Fink (Homebrew is much nicer
> than Fink or MacPorts anyway) is going in the opposite direction. If we
> really wanted to make that work, it would require distributing apt and
> it’s required libraries in binary from with Pd on OSX and Windows. Yeah,
> I don’t see that happening :P

Sofar, it is only talk about how we should solve the maintenance and
distribution problem. On Debian-like Linux systems, apt works good for
both binary and source distribution. If it doesn't work on MacOSX for
some reason, we should choose another solution. The same could be true
for Windows.
The binary distribution is clearly the most important bit to make easy.

For me, the current activity is only fixing help-patches and binaries in
cyclone, to be followed by testing on several platforms. The pd-extended
svn source code patches aren't even applied yet. The rest is only trying
to plan ahead. No decision is made yet.

Fred Jan
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>> On Dec 20, 2014, at 2:39 PM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at
>> <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at> wrote:
>> *From: *Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>
>> *To: *pd-list at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at>
>> *Date: *December 20, 2014 at 2:29:30 PM EST
>> *Subject: **Re: [PD] [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help
>> patches & issue list)*
>> On 2014-12-20 19:09, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
>>> On 12/18/2014 10:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
>>>> If there is a cross-platform repository system out there that is
>>>> well-tested and built to be _more_ secure than apt (i.e., defense
>>>> against replay attacks in the original design), perhaps it could be
>>>> leveraged.
>>>> Unfortunately I don't know anything about binary repo systems, other
>>>> than Debian's.
>>>> -Jonathan 
>>>>     On Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:04 PM, Fred Jan Kraan
>>>> <fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-12-18 20:34, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
>>>>> On 12/18/2014 08:16 PM, Samuel Burt wrote:
>>>>>> 1. Opening a patch with [import cyclone] would automatically
>>>>>> download the
>>>>> i *strongly* oppose to anything that automatically connects to the
>>>>> internet and fetches or submits data.
>>>> And the Pd-community currently does not have the resources to build
>>>> something that is similar or more advanced than the Debian distribution
>>>> system and preferably be cross platform.
>>> so why not use apt?
>>> i mean, we could build on top of apt to do something "more" cross
>>> platform.
>>> Debian (and thus apt) already handles multiple architectures and
>>> "operating systems" (well: kernels), so we just need a few others archs:
>>> - w32-i386
>>> - w32-amd64
>>> - osx-i386
>>> - osx-amd64
>>> this would of course mean porting (parts of) apt to w32/osx (and i have
>>> no clue how much work *that* means)
>> Porting apt would indeed solve the Pd-distribution problem, and maybe
>> for more cross-platform packages.
>> For MacOSX, the Fink package is based on Debian tools
>> (http://www.finkproject.org/). So that leaves Windows.
>>> From the distant past I remember Inno Setup is free and usable
>> (http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php). As long as there is no native
>> apt for Windows that could do...
>> Somehow, it looks a bit less abstract now :-).
>>> fgmrds
>>> IOhannes
>> Greetings,
>> Fred Jan
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