[PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

Alessio Degani alessio.degani at ymail.com
Sun Dec 21 14:31:18 CET 2014

I'm with Dan,

First of all, we need a svn/git/... repository with working 
(multi-platform??) Makefiles. Then, we have to fix the help files with a 
common style.

Only after that we can start to think how to distribute/install them on 
And stuff like defining metapackages like for example, synthesys, 
filering, reverb, all, ... comes after.

To Jonathan: Yes... pd-extended is very useful... and that's why we are 
chatting about "extending" vanlilla. The main concern about pd-extended 
is that is "apparently" non maintained anymore (please tell me if I'm 
wrong!), and the core i synched to an old version of pd! A non 
maintained software, IMHO, means a dead software...



On 20/12/2014 23:17, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Oi, no. That’s putting the cart before the horse. IMO It makes more 
> sense to break up the externals in the svn to separate repos with 
> working Makefiles. Once we know they’re all working and have an easy 
> way to install binaries like Max, then we could go to the next level. 
> Baby steps. If I wasn’t in the middle of my thesis writing right now, 
> I would have done it as a test to Github already.
> Besides, requiring beginners to install Fink (Homebrew is much nicer 
> than Fink or MacPorts anyway) is going in the opposite direction. If 
> we really wanted to make that work, it would require distributing apt 
> and it’s required libraries in binary from with Pd on OSX and Windows. 
> Yeah, I don’t see that happening :P
> --------
> Dan Wilcox
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>> On Dec 20, 2014, at 2:39 PM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at 
>> <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at> wrote:
>> *From:*Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>
>> *To:*pd-list at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at>
>> *Date:*December 20, 2014 at 2:29:30 PM EST
>> *Subject:**Re: [PD] [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help 
>> patches & issue list)*
>> On 2014-12-20 19:09, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
>>> On 12/18/2014 10:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
>>>> If there is a cross-platform repository system out there that is 
>>>> well-tested and built to be _more_ secure than apt (i.e., defense 
>>>> against replay attacks in the original design), perhaps it could be 
>>>> leveraged.
>>>> Unfortunately I don't know anything about binary repo systems, 
>>>> other than Debian's.
>>>> -Jonathan
>>>>     On Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:04 PM, Fred Jan Kraan 
>>>> <fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-12-18 20:34, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
>>>>> On 12/18/2014 08:16 PM, Samuel Burt wrote:
>>>>>> 1. Opening a patch with [import cyclone] would automatically 
>>>>>> download the
>>>>> i *strongly* oppose to anything that automatically connects to the
>>>>> internet and fetches or submits data.
>>>> And the Pd-community currently does not have the resources to build
>>>> something that is similar or more advanced than the Debian distribution
>>>> system and preferably be cross platform.
>>> so why not use apt?
>>> i mean, we could build on top of apt to do something "more" cross 
>>> platform.
>>> Debian (and thus apt) already handles multiple architectures and
>>> "operating systems" (well: kernels), so we just need a few others archs:
>>> - w32-i386
>>> - w32-amd64
>>> - osx-i386
>>> - osx-amd64
>>> this would of course mean porting (parts of) apt to w32/osx (and i have
>>> no clue how much work *that* means)
>> Porting apt would indeed solve the Pd-distribution problem, and maybe
>> for more cross-platform packages.
>> For MacOSX, the Fink package is based on Debian tools
>> (http://www.finkproject.org/). So that leaves Windows.
>>> From the distant past I remember Inno Setup is free and usable
>> (http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php). As long as there is no native
>> apt for Windows that could do...
>> Somehow, it looks a bit less abstract now :-).
>>> fgmrds
>>> IOhannes
>> Greetings,
>> Fred Jan
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