[PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches & issue list)

Alexandre Torres Porres porres at gmail.com
Mon Dec 22 14:40:12 CET 2014

Well, funny this was mentioned here, cause I was actually thinking about
creating a library of abstractions myself.

I've been working on an extensive computer music tutorial with Pd over the
years now (in portuguese though, with over 220 patches now), and I usually
present a vanilla alternative when I present externals. I mean, the whole
idea of the thing is to show how to implement stuff, so I sometimes even go
as far as presenting a vanilla implementation of some vanilla objects.

I'm very interested in this thread because of this work, by the way.
Because the tutorial has been stuck to Pd Extended 0.42-5 :P in Pd Extended
0.43 [cartopol~] and [poltocar~] did break so I say it's not compatible to
it. I wanted to include some of the vanilla 0.46 functionality too by the
way. Well, I digress.

I surely value compiled objects as I think they can run faster and
everything, but I could work on the abstractions. I can still think of many
many external objects I couldn't live without in regards to this
"tutorial". Not only many objects, but maybe most importantly some GUI
features like [envgen] / [breakpoints~] / [grid]. And those gotta be
externals, right.

Well. Anyway. I'd be glad to come up with a library of abstractions as a
side part of this work I've been developing.

If you wanna have a look at it, even though you don't speak portuguese,
here it is:

that's the current version I uploaded for this month, but I'm already
working on a new release for next month.


2014-12-22 9:16 GMT-02:00 Alessio Degani <alessio.degani at ymail.com>:

>  On 22/12/2014 08:55, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>  [CUT]
>  Btw-- are there poisonous spiders lurking in the Pd-extended makefiles?
> Just reading this thread and seeing alternatives like "let's just port apt
> to some proprietary OSes" seems odd to me...
> That's a lot of work... I think.
> A more feasible way is, for example, an hybrid approach. The user
> downloads the desired extension/abstraction binary archive (i.e. zip, tar,
> ...) and then, that can be installed by simply drag'n'drop it to the pd
> main window (or any "install extensions" window). The installation process
> can be as symple as extracting the archive in to a user-specific folder
> (i.e. ~/.pd-extensions/) without root/admin permissions.
>  So I guess I'll add my own idea to this mix: how about replacing every
> single external binary with an abstraction?  Then the external libs become
> portable without having to compile a single thing.  Plus any Pd user
> willing to click the object can potentially fix bugs or make improvements.
> That's a good idea! Intrinsically cross-platform and plus, each
> non-developer-pd-user can contribute itself to maintain the extensions...
> that means that the effective numbers of maintainers/developers grows
> exponentially! :)
>  Sure, you can't do Gem and some of the fancy stuff, but those are
> details.
> Yes... that's the main concern about this approach...
> Alessio
>  This would also increase the incentives for doing development to the
> core which makes abstractions faster.
>  -Jonathan
>   --
> a.
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