[PD] [Bulk] future PD-extended development
Alessio Degani
alessio.degani at ymail.com
Tue Dec 23 18:46:06 CET 2014
Dan, that is _precisely_ what's on my mind! :)
Cheers
On 23/12/2014 15:27, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> * starting a new thread *
>
> * responding to : *
>
>> Actually, you're simply trading one shortcoming for another, and I
>> would argue you're shortcoming is a lot harder to troubleshoot. If
>> you provide a monolithic distribution to all of your users, then
>> reproducing their problems becomes exponentially easier as opposed to
>> encouraging each user to install select externals which may clash
>> with each other in unusual ways that may not be apparent otherwise
>> and then trying to backtrace and troubleshoot their specific set up
>> as opposed to relying on one monolithic release that you can easily
>> reproduce on your own computer. If we had infinite time on this rock
>> this may be a feasible option. As for me, particularly considering I
>> am doing this not because I am getting paid to do it, monolithic
>> approach is the way to go with the ultimate goal of having all
>> externals in the extra folder and without any subfolders (in part
>> because duplicates and buggy externals will have been weeded out).
>
> Technically it doesn’t matter if you want to build everything together
> or install things individually. Let’s say we move the externals into
> separate repos. People working with the vanilla or Pd-L2ork sources or
> whatever can use git submodules or clone the sources that they need
> into the extras folder. Then everything can be built together and
> distributed. If a PD developer wants to change the folder structure
> and layout of the externals they use and maybe conditionally drop a c
> file, they can easily do that with scripting that fetches the latest
> version and then removes the unneeded files. I do this in a lot of
> projects including libpd where we don’t need to compile all of the
> vanilla sources.
>
> Conversely, some people can still download the vanilla binary and
> build an external separately or install a precompiled external.
>
> Bug-wise, things might show up now and then (as they always do), but
> if we’re all pulling from the a same place, bug reports can be sent
> upstream and fixed. Again, it’s easy for this model to work on Github.
> Judging from the sourceforge bugtracker, the pd community is good
> about opening bug reports.
>
> Also, a simple option to continue extended would be a new
> “Pd-extended” that is basically Miller’s current Pd vanilla binary
> with precompiled externals in the /extra folder. This is what I
> currently use, a few of the precompiled externals from the last
> version of Pd-extended with Miller’s latest version. If what most
> people want are the new features of vanilla with GEM and a few set of
> other externals, then we can do that now if it’s much easier to build
> those externals without downloading the massive SVN. I have a script
> which does this on Linux for my UDOO board setup so I have the 9-10
> externals my old song patch set requires. This is similar to
> aforementioned idea of providding all the commonly used externals in
> one precompiled download.
>
> As was pointed out Hans has already established the libdir format and
> I was using “standard makefiles” etc earlier to refer to that. Again,
> I think what’s important is to break out the external development from
> the SVN into smaller, more maintainable repos in order to more
> effectively coordinate resources. None of us are getting paid, which
> is why it’d be nice to find a way to make this whole think work for
> *all* pd development.
>
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