[PD] [Bulk] gui toolkits

[Ivica Bukvic]

On Dec 24, 2014 11:49 AM, "Alessio Degani" <alessio.degani at ymail.com> wrote:
>
> On 24/12/2014 06:18, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
>>
>> Hi list,
>> I've been investigating other guis as possible replacements for tcl/tk
gui.  A few reasons:
>> * tk is slow to redraw
>> * no anti-aliasing except on OSX
>> * poor support for theming
>> * poor support for standard image formats
>> * binary alpha channel
>> * limited control of font properties on canvas
>> * lack of proper canvas zooming
>> * non-standard file save/open dialogs
>> * lack of common gui-toolkit tools like tooltips and rich text
>> * too much bit-rot in third-party libraries to work around all the above
>
>
> Good point.
> In my opinion, graphical stuff requires a lot of effort (in code/design
and, of course, for the portability).
> I really *LOVE* the pd (well... I prefer pd-extended :) ) graphical
philosophy: small bocks, no exploding rainbows of color. Simple and
elegant.
>
> Can be better? Probably. Especially considering the issues presented by
Jonathan. But I think that will be a huge milestone (in terms of effort).
Ok... the modular nature of pd can help a lot in order to make smooth
transitions.

Actually, it is not that much of work. Porting to tkpath took me no more
than a couple of days. Granted, tkpath is quite similar to tcl/tk but the
principle is the same. Alas, tkpath is defunct project.

The real leap in the gui will happen once/if/when networked nature of
communication between pd and tcl is replaced with threaded design. This
will solve a good chunk of determinacy issues and likely introduce new
problems, but the gui will be likely way more responsive.

>
> To the technical side, which tk?
> 1. JUCE: multiplatform

Licensing is fairly restrictive, though, in comparison to alternatives.
Benefits obvious (Max uses it).

> 2. FlowCanvas (now Ganv, http://drobilla.net/software/flowcanvas/):
technically is not a tk, but a widget for Gtkmm, but its a nice widget for
drawing "boxes and lines" (cit. Drobilla) stuff.
>
> Cheers
>
> Alessio
>
>> [CUT]
>> -Jonathan
>>
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