[PD] Update cyclone maintenance

Tue Feb 24 20:41:48 CET 2015

Cool.

One way or another, I just use expr~ whener I need these things anyway. But
it might be convenient to have these objects, and I just feel like start
coding somewhere, and this seems like an easy task. So the idea of having
these exact proper clones of the max objects felt good to me. But it I
confess it might be just too silly for anyone to really bother, and it's
more related to my will to start coding.

The thing is that this characters issue might just ruin or everything in
the end... or make it more complicated than I thought, so... bummer...

By the way, my abstractions wouldn't be exact clones of the max objects,
cause they don't even take arguments (like yours don't also).

I can at least work on getting a code version of teeth~

cheers

2015-02-24 16:16 GMT-03:00 Martin Peach <chakekatzil at gmail.com>:

> I did some of those in Pd-extended as I had the same trouble with weird
> characters in object names; try mrpeach/op~
>
> Martin
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> "*I made one abstraction here for [>=~], find it attached. It works
>> fine here in my computer **even though it contains "weird and
>> problematic" characters in its name.*"
>>
>> Ha, it doesn't work at all with [!/], but it does with [!-]
>>
>> 2015-02-24 15:43 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Another option is that we could just keep this somewhat different
>>> behaviour that's also in the zexy objects, and just add the other 7. Those
>>> extra 7 could be in cyclone or maybe even in zexy, but that's up to the
>>> maintainers.
>>>
>>> I would really like to collaborate though. I've been meaning to start
>>> coding objects for a while, and this seems like a good motivation to start
>>> doing it.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> 2015-02-24 14:35 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> > try loading the "hexloader" before accessing these objects, it might
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, now it loads them all, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> So hmm, seems weird that it doesn't load on its own, but maybe I just
>>>> wont bother to follow up with all the tech issues. But anyway, I'd like to
>>>> know if there are any plans to get to a point where we could create these
>>>> objects without this workaround... is it?
>>>>
>>>> So, getting back to the objects. From the 10 objects I pointed out
>>>> (here below)
>>>>
>>>> [!-], [!-~], [!/], [!/~], [>~], [>=~], [<~], [<=~], [!=~] and [==~]
>>>>
>>>> We do have in fact only 3 in zexy (<~, >~, ==~), but their behaviour
>>>> wouldn't count as proper max cloning, cause when you put a number argument
>>>> in it, it only takes number data into the second inlet, while in Max it
>>>> still allows an audio signal to come through.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's important to avoid redundancies, but I guess you can't
>>>> avoid it if one is doing exact max clones of these 3 and the other 7
>>>> objects.
>>>>
>>>> I made one abstraction here for [>=~], find it attached. It works fine here
>>>> in my computer even though it contains "weird and problematic"
>>>> characters in its name.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't work exactly like the max version though, cause that one
>>>> works with a number argument that is ignored whenever there's a signal
>>>> coming through (even if it is "0"). In order to do it like that, I guess
>>>> you have to compile it as an object. For that matter, I started another
>>>> thread, please check.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> > PS: 0.42.5? wasn't that released 5 years ago,
>>>> > and superceded 2 years ago by 0.43.4?
>>>>
>>>> PS response: Yeah, but I never adapted to 0.43.4, I felt it was buggy
>>>> in a few ways. By the way, one of the issues was that many of my patches
>>>> didn't work because of the [poltocar~] and [cartopol~] bug/problem I
>>>> pointed out in this thread about maintaining cyclone. Moreover, I have a
>>>> quite dense tutorial with over 200 examples now, and many of them used
>>>> [cartopol~]... other patches wouldn't work for other reasons.
>>>>
>>>> I was expecting newer releases to fix this and other issues, but the
>>>> development stopped and died completely... so...
>>>>
>>>> > it seems that Pd has a revolutionary fast
>>>> > development cycle
>>>>
>>>> yeah, I beg to differ :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-02-24 12:11 GMT-03:00 IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>:
>>>>
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>>>>> On 2015-02-24 15:50, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>>>> >> &&~, ||~, <~, >~, ==~
>>>>> >
>>>>> > none of these are created in extended 0.42-5, were they added only
>>>>> > in the latest version?
>>>>>
>>>>> no. zexy ships these objects for about 10 years or so (maybe longer).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> there has been endless discussion about
>>>>> - - object names containing special characters (like '|')
>>>>> - - splitting multi-object libraries (like zexy) into single-object
>>>>> binaries
>>>>>
>>>>> both are most likely related to your problems. please check the
>>>>> archives on those issues (and let's not repeat themover).
>>>>>
>>>>> try loading the "hexloader" before accessing these objects, it might
>>>>> help.
>>>>>
>>>>> fgmasdr
>>>>> IOhannes
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: 0.42.5? wasn't that released 5 years ago, and superceded 2 years
>>>>> ago by 0.43.4? finally, it seems that Pd has a revolutionary fast
>>>>> development cycle - at least compared to inertia of its users :-)
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