[PD] cyclone/maxmode functionality usage

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more
compability.

Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several
objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves
well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening the
same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very incompatible
projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing any compatibility
of this type - it's just insane. It may have been reasonable back in MAX
4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, seems pointless.

More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that no
human being is using this...

Now, please tell about these *bin-ops **"nettles"*, what are these?

cheers

2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl>:

> Hi Alexandre,
>
> >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related
> >> library objects will not be build anymore.
> >
> > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?
>
> What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops
> "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The
> hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available
> as separate objects.
> >
> > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can
> > you give us an example on how to use it?
>
> As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make
> importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy
> objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The
> idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The
> dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone.
>
> It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a
> long time ago.
>
> The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just
> in time:
>
> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
> .
>
> >
> > cheers
>
> Greetings,
>
> Fred Jan
> >
> > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> > <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>:
> >
> >     Hi All,
> >
> >     Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the
> >     Cyclone library?
> >
> >     The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP
> >     patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already
> >     supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In
> >     addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and
> >     signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage
> >     are individual objects.
> >
> >     Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for
> all
> >     Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify
> the
> >     building process and remove potential unused functionality.
> >
> >     No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library
> >     objects will not be build anymore.
> >
> >     Fred Jan
> >
> >     P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but
> >     here is a copy:
> >
> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
> >
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