[PD] Nettles. Was: cyclone/maxmode functionality usage

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that, I'm
on mac os and extended 42, any idea?

I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about
them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of
these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~

It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/,  !-~, !/~, !=~, <=~,  >=~,
%~, +=~

I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't
know about.

So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading
them with it and nothing happened.

It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you
just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]?

cheers


2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl>:

> Hi Alexandre,
>
> The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before:
> !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~
> They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be
> part of your distribution. The source code is in
> externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.
>
> As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make
> them available again.
>
> Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page:
>
> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
> .
>
> Greetings,
>
> Fred Jan
>
> On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more
> > compability.
> >
> > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several
> > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves
> > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening
> > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very
> > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing
> > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been
> > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything,
> > seems pointless.
> >
> > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that
> > no human being is using this...
> >
> > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> > <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>:
> >
> >     Hi Alexandre,
> >
> >     >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related
> >     >> library objects will not be build anymore.
> >     >
> >     > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?
> >
> >     What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops
> >     "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries.
> The
> >     hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also
> available
> >     as separate objects.
> >     >
> >     > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object,
> can
> >     > you give us an example on how to use it?
> >
> >     As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make
> >     importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The
> dummy
> >     objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors.
> The
> >     idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects.
> The
> >     dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or
> cyclone.
> >
> >     It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a
> >     long time ago.
> >
> >     The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy
> just
> >     in time:
> >
> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
> .
> >
> >     >
> >     > cheers
> >
> >     Greetings,
> >
> >     Fred Jan
> >     >
> >     > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>
> >     > <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>>:
> >     >
> >     >     Hi All,
> >     >
> >     >     Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the
> >     >     Cyclone library?
> >     >
> >     >     The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of
> Max/MSP
> >     >     patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches,
> already
> >     >     supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In
> >     >     addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message
> and
> >     >     signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone
> usage
> >     >     are individual objects.
> >     >
> >     >     Because we are planning to switch to a new build system,
> usable for all
> >     >     Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to
> simplify the
> >     >     building process and remove potential unused functionality.
> >     >
> >     >     No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related
> library
> >     >     objects will not be build anymore.
> >     >
> >     >     Fred Jan
> >     >
> >     >     P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this
> year, but
> >     >     here is a copy:
> >     >
> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
> >     >
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