[PD] [initbang] vs [loadbang]

[Alexandros Drymonitis]

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 9:19 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:

> otoh, if you don't mind dirty tricks, the answer could also be "yes".
> see attached patch. saving the "dynin.pd" abstraction, will break it.
> using a different version of Pd might also break it.
> it might have undesired side effects.
> don't file bug-reports against Pd if the abstraction ever stops working.
> you have been warned.

I don't mind dirty tricks, but using this technique doesn't work with my
abstraction. I put [r _initbang] but it won't work.
I've attached the abstraction cause it might be easier to get some help...
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#X text 287 257 Pd-vanilla list abstraction with hot inlets only. Inspired
by [vanillaBondo] by Matt Davey. Made by Alexandros Drymonitis;
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