[PD] expr is now BSD (was "looking for other vanilla filters or abstractions for libPD")

Thu Nov 12 22:06:26 CET 2015

Awesome, haven't seen this on the pd list, so I'm replying here on the list
as well.

Or maybe this has been posted here and I missed it.

One way or another: The [expr] family of object is now (finally) on BSD
licensing!

Hurray!

2015-11-12 15:30 GMT-02:00 Shahrokh Yadegari <sdy at ucsd.edu>:

> Hi Alexandre,
>
> *You must have seen my other message. Expr is now on BSD licensing so all
> is solved.*
>
> I doubt if anybody is using jmax but since IRCAM owned the code I
> developed while I was there, we have to go by that original licensing.
>
> best,
> Shahroh
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Had to google to see why the relation to ircam, I understand now this was
>> written as part of JMax, which has the GNU’s Lesser General Public License.
>>
>> cool
>>
>> I wonder if anyone still uses Jmax :)
>>
>> I really think Ircam shouldn't mind this at all, and it'd be great to see
>> this issue finally over with
>>
>> again, is there anyone still using jmax?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> 2015-11-09 4:33 GMT-02:00 Shahrokh Yadegari <sdy at ucsd.edu>:
>>
>>> I am happy to distribute expr/expr~/fexpr~ objects on BSD license. The
>>> original expr code that I wrote at IRCAM, was made available as GLP by
>>> IRCAM, and later they were kind enough to change that to LGPL. They may be
>>> fine with BSD as well. I will ask and find out.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Shahrokh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>>> porres at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shahrokh is working on a new release of the expr family of objects (0.5)
>>>>
>>>> I'm copying him here, and I wouldn't know what his restrictions or
>>>> issues would be regarding the license. Maybe if properly discussed with
>>>> him, we could find a way to choose a license that is suitable for the libpd
>>>> apps.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that expr is essencial and such limitation would be bad for Pd
>>>> apps.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> 2015-11-07 17:24 GMT-02:00 Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks Jonathan. this is what i assumed re LGPL when i saw a
>>>>> discussion about using fluidsynth in a build, which has a LGPL variant but
>>>>> not anything more permissive. so one question would be if anyone here on
>>>>> the list had a paid app rejected or accepted on the App Store due to using
>>>>> an LGPL license? expr and expr~ are very useful for a variety of things but
>>>>> for now i'm not using them due to this offchance.
>>>>>
>>>>> i would further guess that FSF's exact words on LGPL were probably
>>>>> pretty dark on using the iTunes Store in general. i've seen some
>>>>> announcements from them in the past that made it clear how they feel about
>>>>> walled gardens.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <
>>>>> pd-list at lists.iem.at> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > As of about 2 years ago, expr and relatives are LGPL and thus
>>>>>> compatible with the App Store.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I emailed the Free Software Foundation, who are the publishers of the
>>>>>> LGPL.  They responded
>>>>>> that the LGPL is not compatible with the restrictive terms of Apple's
>>>>>> app store.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I forgot to ask them in advance if I could publicly post their
>>>>>> response.  If they say I can do so, I'll post their actual
>>>>>> response.  But it sounded pretty clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose one could argue if it's a free app then who cares, and that
>>>>>> the copyright holders of expr (or even Apple) are extremely unlikely to
>>>>>> create a licensing fuss.    But then that's the case whether expr is GPL,
>>>>>> LGPL, or even "don't use this to murder people with drones" license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to write/use open source software that's compatible with
>>>>>> Apple's app store, use
>>>>>> the 3-clause BSD license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jonathan
>>>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Shahrokh Yadegari
>>> Professor of Composition and Sound Design,
>>> Theatre and Dance Department
>>> University of California, San Diego
>>> Director, Initiative for Digital Exploration of Arts and Science, (IDEAS)
>>> California Institute for Telecommunications and Information Technologies
>>> (Calit2)
>>> Email: sdy at ucsd.edu
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>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Shahrokh Yadegari
> Professor of Composition and Sound Design,
> Theatre and Dance Department
> University of California, San Diego
> Director, Initiative for Digital Exploration of Arts and Science, (IDEAS)
> California Institute for Telecommunications and Information Technologies
> (Calit2)
> Email: sdy at ucsd.edu
> Web: http://yadegari.org
> Tel: (858) 822-4113
> Fax: (858) 534-1080
>
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