[PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla

[Miller Puckette]

OK... the support should be in git - and I've put an initbang object for
testing here:  msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/initbang.zip

cheers
Miller

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 02:15:46PM +0000, Liam Goodacre wrote:
> Thanks for the positive response here--it will make me extremely happy to have initbang running in vanilla. Should we expect to see this by the next release?
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> From: brbrofsvl at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:00:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla
> To: msp at ucsd.edu
> CC: jancsika at yahoo.com; liamg_uw at hotmail.com; pd-list at lists.iem.at
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> EVERYONE WINS! :)
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Miller Puckette <msp at ucsd.edu> wrote:
> Here's an idea... I could just patch Pd to make it possible for externs to
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> do that.  That wouldn't bother me (I'm horrified by hte design of 'initbang'
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> but don't mind if someone else is maintaining it :)
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> cheers
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> Miller
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> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:25:08PM -0500, Matt Barber wrote:
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> > It seems like pd-extended is kaput and pd-l2ork is not (yet)
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> > cross-platform, the new paradigm is vanilla+deken (yes?). Given that
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> > [initbang] and [closebang] can't be implemented as plugins, I wonder if
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> > there's a chance they could be folded into vanilla, maybe with a switch to
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> > enable them so that they are not there by default nor officially supported,
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> > but available to those who need them.
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> >
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> > A guy's gotta dream big now and again.
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> >
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> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > [initbang] also helps with dynamic patching of [inlet]/[outlet],
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> > > preserving connections in the parent patch. [loadbang] won't do this (last
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> > > I checked anyway).
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> > >
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> > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <
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> > > pd-list at lists.iem.at> wrote:
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> > >
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> > >> There's a startup flag -noloadbang.
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> > >>
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> > >> -Jonathan
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >> On Monday, January 11, 2016 8:57 AM, Liam Goodacre <liamg_uw at hotmail.com>
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> > >> wrote:
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >> I'm more interested in stopping the loadbang than starting it. If you
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> > >> have a patch that dynamically creates itself (or worse deletes itself) when
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> > >> loaded, it is very useful to be able to inspect the patch without the the
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> > >> process starting. Initbang provides this because it bangs only when the
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> > >> patch is loaded as an abstraction, not when the patch is opened.
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >> > Message: 3
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> > >> > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:41:41 +0100
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> > >> > From: Jack <jack at rybn.org>
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> > >> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
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> > >> > Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla
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> > >> > Message-ID: <56936AC5.6030301 at rybn.org>
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> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> > >> >
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> > >> > Hello,
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> > >> >
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> > >> > For dynamic patching, you can :
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> > >> > - import your abstraction in a subpatch
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> > >> > - send the message 'loadbang' to your subpatch
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> > >> >
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> > >> > => all your abstractions with the object 'loadbang' will send a bang
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> > >> > when the message 'loadbang' will be send.
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> > >> > ++
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> > >> >
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> > >> > Jack
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> > >> >
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> > >> >
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> > >> >
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> > >> > Le 11/01/2016 04:27, Liam Goodacre a écrit :
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> > >> > > So no chance of getting them in Vanilla then? That's annoying, as
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> > >> > > they're both really useful objects. I particularly like [initbang]
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> > >> > > because it bangs only when the patch is loaded as an abstraction, not
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> > >> > > when it is opened. This is really useful for dynamic patching.
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> > >> > >
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> > >> > >> Message: 3
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> > >> > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:31:36 +0000 (UTC)
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> > >> > >> From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
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> > >> > >> To: Roman Haefeli <reduzent at gmail.com>, "pd-list at lists.iem.at"
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> > >> > >> <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
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> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla
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> > >> > >>
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> > >> > >> They are also in Pd-l2ork.
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> > >> > >> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:36 AM, Roman Haefeli
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> > >> > > <reduzent at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> > >>
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> > >> > >>
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> > >> > >> On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 09:52 +0000, Liam Goodacre wrote:
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> > >> > >> > Which libraries are [closebang] and [initbang] in? They don't seem
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> > >> to
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> > >> > >> > load in Vanilla and I can't find the relevant information in the
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> > >> > >> > helpfiles so that I can use [declare].
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> > >> > >>
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> > >> > >> I'm not totally sure, but I believe those are part of the Pd-extended
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> > >> > >> core and cannot be implemented as externals. That's why you can't
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> > >> find
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> > >> > >> them anywhere but in Pd-extended.
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> > >> > >>
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> > >> > >> Roman
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