[PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 131, Issue 43

Brynna info at brynnachilds.com
Tue Feb 16 04:27:35 CET 2016


Hey can you add me to your weekly digest rather than daily, thanks 

Brynna

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>   1. Re: Nettles. Was: Cyclone: List of Issues with existing
>      objects by Alexandre Porres (Jonathan Wilkes)
>   2. Re: Nettles. Was: Cyclone: List of Issues with existing
>      objects by Alexandre Porres (Ivica Ico Bukvic)
>   3. Re: Nettles. Was: Cyclone: List of Issues with existing
>      objects by Alexandre Porres (Matt Barber)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:55:27 +0000 (UTC)
>From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>To: Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com>, Ivica Bukvic <ico at vt.edu>
>Cc: Pd-list <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
>Subject: Re: [PD] Nettles. Was: Cyclone: List of Issues with existing
>	objects by Alexandre Porres
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>> but why don't I need this when I load the cyclone externals?
>If every cyclone external has already been loaded before your patch loads, then there's no problem.
>The problem comes when Pd tries to search for a binary to load-- for example, when you type a name 
>into an object box that Pd doesn't know.  If that name has characters that can't appear in a filename 
>(like "<") then you need to have hexloader loaded already.
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>Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 13:18:17 -0500
>From: Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu>
>To: Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com>
>Cc: Pd-list <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
>Subject: Re: [PD] Nettles. Was: Cyclone: List of Issues with existing
>	objects by Alexandre Porres
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>Why not simply have an inlet that can handle both inside an abstraction 
>and route signal one way and number the other and then sprinkle that 
>with dynamic nlet creation and you're done? Then you can simply abstract 
>most cases.
>
>On 2/14/2016 11:36 AM, Matt Barber wrote:
>> [gt~] is a great example of something that could work as an 
>> abstraction, except for the pesky right inlet which should take a 
>> signal if there's no creation argument, but float otherwise.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Ivica Bukvic <ico at vt.edu 
>> <mailto:ico at vt.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     What I am also trying to do eventually in pd-l2ork is weed out
>>     redundant objects and only keep the ones that do the said task the
>>     best while still supporting other objects' idiosyncrasies (if
>>     any). There is absolutely no reason to have multiple objects of
>>     the same kind. Ultimately, one could keep all the externals in the
>>     same folder and completely do away with all the declares, imports,
>>     and other things that make learning pd unnecessarily harder.
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>     Associate Professor
>>     Computer Music
>>     ICAT Senior Fellow
>>     Director -- DISIS, L2Ork
>>     Virginia Tech
>>     School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>     Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>     (540) 231-6139 <tel:%28540%29%20231-6139>
>>     ico at vt.edu <mailto:ico at vt.edu>
>>     www.performingarts.vt.edu <http://www.performingarts.vt.edu>
>>     disis.icat.vt.edu <http://disis.icat.vt.edu>
>>     l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>     ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>
>>     On Feb 14, 2016 8:40 AM, "Fred Jan Kraan" <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
>>     <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Alexandre,
>>
>>             guess some of it is in:
>>             http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cycloneToDo.html
>>
>>
>>         This list is also becoming a list of what has been done.
>>
>>
>>             As with _nettles_
>>
>>             "try to resurrect as independent object library"
>>
>>             Anyway, tell me if this gets includes on this file.
>>
>>
>>         Yes, the nettles-objects are part of the latest cyclone
>>         versions. They are part of the nettles library, which can be
>>         loaded with [declare]. Not all operating systems like the '<'
>>         and '>' in the object names and there is overlap with other
>>         library objects, so only loading them when needed is cleaner.
>>
>>
>>             cheers
>>
>>             ps. count me in for help with the help files
>>
>>
>>         Great!
>>
>>         Greetings,
>>
>>         Fred Jan
>>
>>
>>             2016-02-11 22:18 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres
>>             <porres at gmail.com <mailto:porres at gmail.com>
>>             <mailto:porres at gmail.com <mailto:porres at gmail.com>>>:
>>
>>                 Howdy, it's a known fact brazilians will start the
>>             year only after
>>                 carnival, so here I am.
>>
>>                 I'd like to share my list of things to do with
>>             existing Cyclone
>>                 Objetcs. Obviously there might be other issues with
>>             other objects
>>                 that would make them up to date with the current
>>             version of Max (Max
>>                 7). Nonetheless, this is what I find relevant, and
>>             I've been really
>>                 checking it through.
>>
>>                 It's only about 11 objects, some has already been
>>             discussed here and
>>                 might have been fixed or in the process to be taken
>>             care of, forgive
>>                 me if so.
>>
>>                 I have it attached and also as a link to a google doc
>>
>>             https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_dUNgznfhaZHPKMJ3jJ_p9uIXRVP6Rs9-3nXy2Qlk8/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>                 Next, I will get together a list of new objects I
>>             think should be
>>                 included, many of which I've already made as
>>             abstractions (kind of
>>                 to show how it works like I did with [teeth~], cause I
>>             really think
>>                 they should all be done as externals).
>>
>>                 Cheers
>>
>>
>>
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>Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 13:38:05 -0500
>From: Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com>
>To: Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu>
>Cc: Pd-list <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
>Subject: Re: [PD] Nettles. Was: Cyclone: List of Issues with existing
>	objects by Alexandre Porres
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>​I tried coding that once, but it seemed like it needed some big change in
>architecture. Technically it's only the main signal that accepts both
>messages and signals in this way, where you would want to route the
>message. Floats should almost always be promoted to signals.​
>
>On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
>
>> Why not simply have an inlet that can handle both inside an abstraction
>> and route signal one way and number the other and then sprinkle that with
>> dynamic nlet creation and you're done? Then you can simply abstract most
>> cases.
>>
>>
>> On 2/14/2016 11:36 AM, Matt Barber wrote:
>>
>> [gt~] is a great example of something that could work as an abstraction,
>> except for the pesky right inlet which should take a signal if there's no
>> creation argument, but float otherwise.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Ivica Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> What I am also trying to do eventually in pd-l2ork is weed out redundant
>>> objects and only keep the ones that do the said task the best while still
>>> supporting other objects' idiosyncrasies (if any). There is absolutely no
>>> reason to have multiple objects of the same kind. Ultimately, one could
>>> keep all the externals in the same folder and completely do away with all
>>> the declares, imports, and other things that make learning pd unnecessarily
>>> harder.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>> Associate Professor
>>> Computer Music
>>> ICAT Senior Fellow
>>> Director -- DISIS, L2Ork
>>> Virginia Tech
>>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>> (540) 231-6139
>>> ico at vt.edu
>>> www.performingarts.vt.edu
>>> disis.icat.vt.edu
>>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu
>>> ico.bukvic.net
>>> On Feb 14, 2016 8:40 AM, "Fred Jan Kraan" <fjkraan at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Alexandre,
>>>>
>>>> guess some of it is in:
>>>>> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cycloneToDo.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This list is also becoming a list of what has been done.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As with _nettles_
>>>>>
>>>>> "try to resurrect as independent object library"
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, tell me if this gets includes on this file.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the nettles-objects are part of the latest cyclone versions. They
>>>> are part of the nettles library, which can be loaded with [declare]. Not
>>>> all operating systems like the '<' and '>' in the object names and there is
>>>> overlap with other library objects, so only loading them when needed is
>>>> cleaner.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> ps. count me in for help with the help files
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great!
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Fred Jan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2016-02-11 22:18 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:porres at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Howdy, it's a known fact brazilians will start the year only after
>>>>>     carnival, so here I am.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I'd like to share my list of things to do with existing Cyclone
>>>>>     Objetcs. Obviously there might be other issues with other objects
>>>>>     that would make them up to date with the current version of Max (Max
>>>>>     7). Nonetheless, this is what I find relevant, and I've been really
>>>>>     checking it through.
>>>>>
>>>>>     It's only about 11 objects, some has already been discussed here and
>>>>>     might have been fixed or in the process to be taken care of, forgive
>>>>>     me if so.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I have it attached and also as a link to a google doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_dUNgznfhaZHPKMJ3jJ_p9uIXRVP6Rs9-3nXy2Qlk8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>>     Next, I will get together a list of new objects I think should be
>>>>>     included, many of which I've already made as abstractions (kind of
>>>>>     to show how it works like I did with [teeth~], cause I really think
>>>>>     they should all be done as externals).
>>>>>
>>>>>     Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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